A hand with eight diamonds

[han]

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AKJxxxxx

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Red against white, IMPs, RHO opens 3H. Your call?

[the hog]

Pass. Don't pre empt a pre empt. I am worried that pd will bid 6 if I bid 5D.

[TylerE]

Pass. Would bid 3♦ over 2X

[rogerclee]

I guess I will bid 3NT, but I'm not thrilled about it.

[effervesce]

I guess I will bid 3NT, but I'm not thrilled about it.

What??! Not thrilled? You have 7-8 playing tricks! What more could partner expect for a 3NT bid...

[Echognome]

I thought about this hand way too long. I'm passing for now. I'm prepared to compete later and am glad I discussed with my p's that we're not playing FNJs here even if I pass.

[rogerclee]

I guess I will bid 3NT, but I'm not thrilled about it.

What??! Not thrilled? You have 7-8 playing tricks! What more could partner expect for a 3NT bid...

This bid has a huge number of ways to lose.

 

1) Partner doesn't have a heart stopper.

2) Partner has a good hand and drives to slam.

3) A combination of both of the above.

4) Diamonds don't run.

 

So I think pass might be much better. I'm sort of going back and forth between the two, even though I had actually thought about it for awhile before making my first post.

 

Unless you were being sarcastic. Then I lose.

[Guest Jlall]

Pass, seems like a non problem.

[jdonn]

I thought you were posting this one as a joke han <_<

[rbforster]

What are the relative strength differences here between:

 

4♦

5♦

X...♦

 

If I could bid 5♦ and partner wouldn't hang me without a great hand, I think I would. Partner and/or LHO have good hands yet, so I worry that passing might get us shut out without telling partner anything useful. After

 

(3♥) - P(you) - (4♥) - P

(P) -?

 

are the passers bidding 5♦? It shouldn't be down more than 4, but 4 is too many even when they have slam.

[Echognome]

What are the relative strength differences here between:

 

4♦

5♦

X...♦

 

If I could bid 5♦ and partner wouldn't hang me without a great hand, I think I would.  Partner and/or LHO have good hands yet, so I worry that passing might get us shut out without telling partner anything useful.  After

 

(3♥) - P(you) - (4♥) - P

(P) -?

 

are the passers bidding 5♦?  It shouldn't be down more than 4, but 4 is too many even when they have slam.

I play the 4♦ is non-leaping michael's so that is out for me. Not that I don't think a natural call might not work out well, it just seems that I can try to stab 3NT on those hands.

 

Note to self: Avoid use of triple negatives. <_<

[gnasher]

I play the 4♦ is non-leaping michael's

 

[..]

 

Note to self: Avoid use of triple negatives. <_<

Would you consider eliminating the spurious apostrophes too?

[Echognome]

I play the 4♦ is non-leaping michael's

 

[..]

 

Note to self: Avoid use of triple negatives. <_<

Would you consider eliminating the spurious apostrophes too?

I pre'fer work'ing on one foi'ble at a time, thank you ve'ry m'uch!

[effervesce]

I guess I will bid 3NT, but I'm not thrilled about it.

What??! Not thrilled? You have 7-8 playing tricks! What more could partner expect for a 3NT bid...

This bid has a huge number of ways to lose.

 

1) Partner doesn't have a heart stopper.

2) Partner has a good hand and drives to slam.

3) A combination of both of the above.

4) Diamonds don't run.

 

So I think pass might be much better. I'm sort of going back and forth between the two, even though I had actually thought about it for awhile before making my first post.

 

Unless you were being sarcastic. Then I lose.

Perhaps it was in error by me to assume that your original post was sarcastic.... nevermind.

[whereagles]

Yeah, pass. I have an easy diamond bid later, so wtp?

 

If pard can come up with a 3NT reopenin, THEN I might have a problem.. LOL. (Between pass and 6♦, of course.)

[pclayton]

I was CHO here.

 

It's funny. If I held ♠AKJxxxxx, you couldn't shut me up for all the cheese in Alkmaar.

 

Here, I don't want to compete for the partscore but I would gladly bid diamonds the next round, which is a nice description, don't you think?

 

I think that we've had some discussions around here that 4m over 3M tends to be very strong anyway.

[P_Marlowe]

Pass, but if they intend to play game, I will

play game.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[Halo]

4♦ seems reasonable.

 

I could pass on the assumption that someone will make life easy - just don't think it will be me.

[han]

This wasn't a joke post, I bid 4♦ when playing with Phil yesterday. Thanks for the responses.

[jdonn]

This wasn't a joke post, I bid 4♦ when playing with Phil yesterday. Thanks for the responses.

Just so you know, when I posted that I thought you were joking I was stupid and thinking the hand had seven diamonds (yes I see the name of the thread) in which case it would be a stupid problem. With eight I still pass but I certainly don't think it's a dumb problem any more.

[Fluffy]

4♦ is my 4th option after pass, 5♦ and 3NT.

[skjaeran]

4♦ is my 4th option after pass, 5♦ and 3NT.

5♦ isn't an option - it shows a much stronger hand.

 

I'm passing, btw.

[awm]

With the singleton heart and eighth diamond, I think 4♦ is okay here. When RHO preempts and I have a hand like this, it seems quite frequent that both partner and LHO have something resembling a weak notrump. I expect to make 5♦ pretty often when partner holds a weak notrump, and I will generally get there if I bid 4♦ and not if I pass. Of course, sometimes partner has some ten-count and raises me to game, but this also might make; I do have something like 7.5-8 tricks which is what partner will expect for 4♦ (although certainly six good diamonds and a couple side cards would be more typical than eight good diamonds and out).

 

Why not 5♦? Well this shows a better hand. While it will make fairly often, partner will usually raise it to six when it is making. And there's no guarantee partner has the "weak notrump" I'm hoping for; LHO could have most of the remaining cards and then 5♦X goes for a bigger number (and is easier to double without trump tricks) than 4♦X.

[neilkaz]

Pass for now. I need a bit more for 4♦ and lots more for 5♦ and think 3NT is just a crazy psych.

 

.. neilkaz ..