joshs Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 You are in 3N after showing 5+C, 4S and about 8-10 HCP:[hv=n=skxhakqxdj9xxxck9&s=sa9xxhtxxdtcat7xx]133|200|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Heart 9 is led (Standard leads). Plan the play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 I would win and play king of clubs club to the ten unless the 8 dropped on my left the first time in which case I would play a club to the ace (yes if LHO has 8x he should falsecard the first time). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 Seems like an exercise in dealing with the club suit. I'll just try the ♣K first. Then, if the 8 drops, overtake the 9 hoping for H8 in an opponent. Else run the 9. Dunno if this is the best play, though. EDIT: oops, justin got there first.. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 We showed clubs and spades? But pard isn't playing it? That rules out a Keri auction. What did pard show? I'm wondering because it would have influenced LHO's lead. 7 top tricks and 8 if hearts split, although we can't test them too early. We don't have the entries for a club toward the 9, and an early diamond seems pointless missing the 8. I'm trying a 2nd high heart now. If I get a Jx, this hand becomes simpler and I don't think I give up anything in the endgame. I will cash the ♣K. If get low spots, I'll run the 9 hoping for 8x offside. If it holds, the hand will get pretty complex, and I'll play a diamond at that point. I don't know whats going to happen from then on. If I saw the 8 on my left, I think I'd have to think about it more. The direct line of H8 looks normal, but I might be able to survive with QJxxx onside, I don't know. Still, that means RHO made a weird lead from short or three hearts unless I get Jx offsides. If the club gets covered, I'll have to play for 3-3 clubs I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 Why are you guys running the 9 rather than overtaking the 9? If RHO has QJxx you are just cold by overtaking, and you lose nothing except some very remote endplay possibilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 Also Phil, what is your plan if hearts are Jx? Are you going to play a club to the 9 now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 Why are you guys running the 9 rather than overtaking the 9? If RHO has QJxx you are just cold by overtaking, and you lose nothing except some very remote endplay possibilities. True. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 Also Phil, what is your plan if hearts are Jx? Are you going to play a club to the 9 now? Probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 Why are you guys running the 9 rather than overtaking the 9? If RHO has QJxx you are just cold by overtaking, and you lose nothing except some very remote endplay possibilities. yeah, overtaking with the 10 is better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 Also Phil, what is your plan if hearts are Jx? Are you going to play a club to the 9 now? Probably. OK, I can buy that. Guess cashing the seocnd heart is better for this reason then. Edit: OK North=secretary bird, East=rueful rabit South=papa west=hog. It goes ace of hearts, king of hearts, the rabit follows with the jack. He then says oh i'm so sorry i had a lower heart. In fact he had 2 lower hearts. He wants to change it but SB recites the laws, and the hog very nicely tells the rabit that SB is right and he has to play the jack. Papa then plays a heart to his ten and a club to the 9 and loses to the rabit's jack (the rabit had J8 doubleton). Down 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 I'd win the heart and exit with a diamond. How else do we get some options and tighten the hand. I'm not ready to decide it is all about me guessing clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshs Posted May 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 Yeah I misplayed this the other day. I won trick 1 and went after clubs (hoping for 3-3 or 8x on my left, and if truth be told, I also forgot to overtake the 9 with the T). But if the heart J comes down doubleton (assuming the most brilliant false card ever didn't just occur) protecting yourself against Qx or Jx on your left is better than protecting against 8x. In the actual hand, there was Jx of heart on my right, and Qx of clubs on my left, so I needed the extra entry to my hand to pick up the suit. The false card (J from Jxx) is very interesting because this is a hand where I do not need a 4'th heart trick, I just need a second entry to my hand.... Note that the false card not only works in the Q8/J8 on my right (as justin pointed out) but also when there is 8x on my left. I just don't think it would ever be found. As to Phil's question about the auction, we had a strong club relay auction. All the opps know is we have values for game, and what I said before about what my hand showed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 What are the diamond pips? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshs Posted May 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 What are the diamond pips? I think it was J9542. I don't remember exactly. I know I did not have the 7 and the 8. Its remotely possible I had the 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 The pips in diamonds are really low. But, I think I can play one round of diamonds without any huge risk. If the opps fire back a spade, for example, I win on dummy, cash a second high heart to see, and then play top club, club to 10. In the interim, something interesting might happen in diamonds, or I might even get a strange club switch or some other interesting development somewhere. This does not look like an easy hand for the opponents to defend. If they get it right, I'm back to Plan A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshs Posted May 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 The pips in diamonds are really low. But, I think I can play one round of diamonds without any huge risk. If the opps fire back a spade, for example, I win on dummy, cash a second high heart to see, and then play top club, club to 10. In the interim, something interesting might happen in diamonds, or I might even get a strange club switch or some other interesting development somewhere. This does not look like an easy hand for the opponents to defend. If they get it right, I'm back to Plan A. In that line, you play a diamond, they play a spade, you cash a heart, the J comes down, you can no longer cross to the heart ten, and hook the Club 9 since a spade comes back before the clubs are unblocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted May 20, 2008 Report Share Posted May 20, 2008 The pips in diamonds are really low. But, I think I can play one round of diamonds without any huge risk. If the opps fire back a spade, for example, I win on dummy, cash a second high heart to see, and then play top club, club to 10. In the interim, something interesting might happen in diamonds, or I might even get a strange club switch or some other interesting development somewhere. This does not look like an easy hand for the opponents to defend. If they get it right, I'm back to Plan A. In that line, you play a diamond, they play a spade, you cash a heart, the J comes down, you can no longer cross to the heart ten, and hook the Club 9 since a spade comes back before the clubs are unblocked. ??? You have just won the spade in dummy. You cash the second top heart and see the Jack drop. So, you win the heart 10, cross to the club King, cash the fourth heart, and lead the club 9 to the 10. When I win the spade continuation, I need clubs to be 3-3. If the QJxx in clubs was to my right, the 10 won. If the 8x was to my left, and the club was covered, I win and force out the remaining club. I mean, sure, if the Jack falls and I do not cash out in hearts before playing the clubs, then I create blockage. But, I think I work out to win the heart tricks now rather than later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshs Posted May 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2008 The pips in diamonds are really low. But, I think I can play one round of diamonds without any huge risk. If the opps fire back a spade, for example, I win on dummy, cash a second high heart to see, and then play top club, club to 10. In the interim, something interesting might happen in diamonds, or I might even get a strange club switch or some other interesting development somewhere. This does not look like an easy hand for the opponents to defend. If they get it right, I'm back to Plan A. In that line, you play a diamond, they play a spade, you cash a heart, the J comes down, you can no longer cross to the heart ten, and hook the Club 9 since a spade comes back before the clubs are unblocked. ??? You have just won the spade in dummy. You cash the second top heart and see the Jack drop. So, you win the heart 10, cross to the club King, cash the fourth heart, and lead the club 9 to the 10. When I win the spade continuation, I need clubs to be 3-3. If the QJxx in clubs was to my right, the 10 won. If the 8x was to my left, and the club was covered, I win and force out the remaining club. I mean, sure, if the Jack falls and I do not cash out in hearts before playing the clubs, then I create blockage. But, I think I work out to win the heart tricks now rather than later. Oh, I guess I misunderstood. You are playing clubs the inferior way (picks up 8x on your left and Q8 or J8 on your right=5 doubletons, rather than all the Qx's and Jx's on your left=8 doubletons )[both methods picks up both QJ doubletons] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted May 20, 2008 Report Share Posted May 20, 2008 The pips in diamonds are really low. But, I think I can play one round of diamonds without any huge risk. If the opps fire back a spade, for example, I win on dummy, cash a second high heart to see, and then play top club, club to 10. In the interim, something interesting might happen in diamonds, or I might even get a strange club switch or some other interesting development somewhere. This does not look like an easy hand for the opponents to defend. If they get it right, I'm back to Plan A. In that line, you play a diamond, they play a spade, you cash a heart, the J comes down, you can no longer cross to the heart ten, and hook the Club 9 since a spade comes back before the clubs are unblocked. ??? You have just won the spade in dummy. You cash the second top heart and see the Jack drop. So, you win the heart 10, cross to the club King, cash the fourth heart, and lead the club 9 to the 10. When I win the spade continuation, I need clubs to be 3-3. If the QJxx in clubs was to my right, the 10 won. If the 8x was to my left, and the club was covered, I win and force out the remaining club. I mean, sure, if the Jack falls and I do not cash out in hearts before playing the clubs, then I create blockage. But, I think I work out to win the heart tricks now rather than later. Oh, I guess I misunderstood. You are playing clubs the inferior way (picks up 8x on your left and Q8 or J8 on your right=5 doubletons, rather than all the Qx's and Jx's on your left=8 doubletons )[both methods picks up both QJ doubletons] Exactly. I'm tossing away a few percentage points mathematically for a few practical points when the opponents must guess what to do next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshs Posted May 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 The pips in diamonds are really low. But, I think I can play one round of diamonds without any huge risk. If the opps fire back a spade, for example, I win on dummy, cash a second high heart to see, and then play top club, club to 10. In the interim, something interesting might happen in diamonds, or I might even get a strange club switch or some other interesting development somewhere. This does not look like an easy hand for the opponents to defend. If they get it right, I'm back to Plan A. In that line, you play a diamond, they play a spade, you cash a heart, the J comes down, you can no longer cross to the heart ten, and hook the Club 9 since a spade comes back before the clubs are unblocked. ??? You have just won the spade in dummy. You cash the second top heart and see the Jack drop. So, you win the heart 10, cross to the club King, cash the fourth heart, and lead the club 9 to the 10. When I win the spade continuation, I need clubs to be 3-3. If the QJxx in clubs was to my right, the 10 won. If the 8x was to my left, and the club was covered, I win and force out the remaining club. I mean, sure, if the Jack falls and I do not cash out in hearts before playing the clubs, then I create blockage. But, I think I work out to win the heart tricks now rather than later. Oh, I guess I misunderstood. You are playing clubs the inferior way (picks up 8x on your left and Q8 or J8 on your right=5 doubletons, rather than all the Qx's and Jx's on your left=8 doubletons )[both methods picks up both QJ doubletons] Exactly. I'm tossing away a few percentage points mathematically for a few practical points when the opponents must guess what to do next. OK, I think the defense is incredibly easy here, and that the defenders will cash 1 or 2 rounds of diamonds (depending on who wins the first diamond), and then lead an appropriate major , and if its spades I am worse off then before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 OK, I think the defense is incredibly easy here, and that the defenders will cash 1 or 2 rounds of diamonds (depending on who wins the first diamond), and then lead an appropriate major , and if its spades I am worse off then before. I think you will agree how humorous your assessment turns out to be. You state that the defense will cash one or two diamonds and then switch to a spade. If they cash two diamonds, like the Ace and King, I am left with the J9x with only the Queen outstanding above this. So, I win the spade and play the diamond Jack. At a minimum, then, I win two spades, three hearts, two clubs, and a diamond. If the fifth diamond establishes, I have my ninth trick without even touching clubs. I also win, now, if the hearts are 3-3 or the Jack drops doubleton. If neither of those work, I still have play, I think. So, I'm not sure that the obvious defense is all that obvious or costly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshs Posted May 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 OK, I think the defense is incredibly easy here, and that the defenders will cash 1 or 2 rounds of diamonds (depending on who wins the first diamond), and then lead an appropriate major , and if its spades I am worse off then before. I think you will agree how humorous your assessment turns out to be. You state that the defense will cash one or two diamonds and then switch to a spade. If they cash two diamonds, like the Ace and King, I am left with the J9x with only the Queen outstanding above this. So, I win the spade and play the diamond Jack. At a minimum, then, I win two spades, three hearts, two clubs, and a diamond. If the fifth diamond establishes, I have my ninth trick without even touching clubs. I also win, now, if the hearts are 3-3 or the Jack drops doubleton. If neither of those work, I still have play, I think. So, I'm not sure that the obvious defense is all that obvious or costly. When I said 1 or 2, it depends on who wins the first diamond. If east wins the first diamond, they will never play a second diamond (will probably play a spade). And I mean NEVER. If west wins the first diamond they might lead a second diamond which forces dummy to split the J9. Come on ken, I am not playing against total idiots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 Yeah, that may be true. I play against a lot of total idiots, though. Flight A is frightening these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 [hv=n=skxhakqxdj9xxxck9&s=sa9xxhtxxdtcat7xx]133|200|Scoring: IMPYou are in 3N after showing 5+C, 4S and about 8-10 HCP:♥9 is led (Standard leads). Plan the play.[/hv]Agree with Justin, Phil, and Ken: ♥AK (Pclayton) Then If ♥J drops then cross to ♥T to finesse ♣9. If ♥J does not drop then ♦T hoping for defensive error (kenrexford) If opps exit in a major, then ♣K. Now, if West plays ♣8 then ♣K paying off to clever false card (JLall] Otherwise overtake ♣9 with ♣T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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