Guest Jlall Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 imps: x xx AQJxx AKJxx 1S p 2D2H p 3C3H p 3N5S p ? 2D GF, 3C natural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 I think its a 6-5 or 7-5 that is just too good for 4♠: AKJxxx AKJxx x x Right or wrong, I'm bidding 6N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 Why is that hand worth more than 4♠? Anyway, yeah some 65 or 75 should be it. We cover the side losers, but will that be enough?? I don't think so. PASS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 Why is that hand worth more than 4♠? Anyway, yeah some 65 or 75 should be it. We cover the side losers, but will that be enough?? I don't think so. PASS. I don't know, because you'd bid it the same without both major suit kings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 Phil, this is a huge misfit, despite the combined high hcp count. What matters now is to find a playable spot and leave considerations of extra strength 'n stuff to the post mortem. This doesn't mean you should never try for a slam, but, if you do that, you'd better bid only what's in front of you. In this case this would mean AKJT9xAQJT9xx or thereabouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 A slam-forcing 6-5 or 7-5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 A slam-forcing 6-5 or 7-5. Why is it slam forcing? I think it sucks if partner's only options are to bid 4S which could just be a 9 count or force to slam. Surely with a slam force he can bid something else (like 5N or 6S or 6H). Maybe this gives up on some precision when he has a slam force but it at least gives him some option with a good but not slam forcing hand which is probably more common and more important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 Phil, this is a huge misfit, despite the combined high hcp count. What matters now is to find a playable spot and leave considerations of extra strength 'n stuff to the post mortem. This doesn't mean you should never try for a slam, but, if you do that, you'd better bid only what's in front of you. In this case this would mean AKJT9xAQJT9xx or thereabouts. Nuno your argument is totally besides the point. How can opener possibly call AJxxxx AJxxx x x the same as AKJxxx AKJxx? I don't care if its a misfit or not - both responder and opener have extra values and 6N has to be real close. I agree a stray 10 here and there in any suit is a big help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 Some people I play with use the jump to 5(trumps) to ask about trump top honors.0 trump honors => pass1 trump honors => slam2 trump honors => grand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 I think that opener has to have a better hand than Phil's minimum, since that hand has no 5-level safety on the auction. AKJ10xx AKJxx x x is the worst hand I can come up with.. remember, you haven't promised both minor aces... x x AKJxxx KQJxx is entirely plausible, is it not? Can he have AKQxxx AKQxx x x? No... even for me, that looks like a 2♣ opener. Note that even this monster isn't cold for any slam... altho I'd like my chances I don't see any construction on which slam is a good proposition unless he has a minor honour, but I don't think that is probable, given that he has 11 or 12 cards in the majors. So I pass I think he was hoping either for 2=1 in the majors or a major Q.. I have neither. BTW, I hate 6N.. where are the tricks coming from on the hand I posited? Yes, if you are a happy and successful hooker, than by all means bid 6N. But I think it likely to be a less than 50% contract. 5♠ rates to muddle through Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 Yes, if you are a happy and successful hooker Must...resist...inappropriate...jokes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 Sorry Phil, don't quite agree. Misfit slams are a matter of TRICKS, not hcp. In both your examples, AJxxxx AJxxx x x and AKJxxx AKJxx x x, those tricks just aren't there. By the way, I'd probably pass 3NT on the weaker hand. I'll have a hard time making 4♠. Better pass and hope my 2 aces are the bullets that pard needs to wrap-up 9 tricks in NT. Gimme a 7th spade (say same hcps, 7510) and I might just try 4♠. Only just :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 What would 1S----2D3H show ? if its natural then my guess is that 5S show a strong 75- with a big disparity between the S and the H. AKQJxxxKT9xxx If 3H would have been a splinter then i guess 5S show a 75 that is too strong for 4S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 I bid 6♠, if they lead a major then we have major transportation issues in 6NT, which I don't see making without the spades anyway. I already talked to Justin about this hand, I raise since I have both aces and expect one to be working and hope that's enough. If I had 0 or 1 aces I would pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 Very tough. I would have bid 5nt, passing the buck back to partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 Very tough. I would have bid 5nt, passing the buck back to partner. OS5NT always looks good in this situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 6H. What do I know, but I wont pass 5S.Maybe 5NT is best, partner should pickthe suit he likes best. If a doubleton is enough, partner will pass6H, if he has a selfsufficient spade suit, he still can convert. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted May 20, 2008 Report Share Posted May 20, 2008 A slam-forcing 6-5 or 7-5. Why is it slam forcing? Sorry - that was nonsense. I was thinking of sequences where 5♠ might force a preference to 6♥, but this isn't one of those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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