Choices

[pclayton]

Here's another problem with 2N. Unless you play 3 of a minor here as forcing, you are kind of stuck. Pard's next bid could end the bidding so what is he supposed to do with a hand that wants to probe for other strains beside NT? 2♠ allows pard to make some game tries and you can follow up with a 3N call which is a nice descrption.

[benlessard]

Here's another problem with 2N. Unless you play 3 of a minor here as forcing, you are kind of stuck.

An unlimited hand that pull 2nt into a new suit is 100% forcing. Most C players knows that.

No. While 2NT is a limit bid and 2S is unlimited so you could argue in some sense that 2S is stronger, if you are bidding 2S to show a limit raise then its strength is about the same as a 2NT bid, just a different hand type.

Even if 2S is limited (only a limit raise) its a bit more foward going then a 2Nt bid. Its not just a matter of hands type. Its would be interesting to check on bridge browser the games that are being reached after 2Nt vs after 2S limit

 

If you play without 1nt forcing.

 

1M----???

 

Statistically speaking 4M is more frequent then 3Nt.

I think its pretty obvious that 2M is more foward going then 1Nt.

and we can safely say that a limit raise is more foward going then a natural 2nt.

 

Any1 would play raw score or rubber bridge will prefer that partner show a limit raise then a natural balanced invite at 2nt.

 

With the overcall there is some differences.

 

1H----(1S)-----???

 

here 2H is competitive (could be a courtesy raise) and 1nt is more constructive (you can pass with some 6-7 count) and its clear that on this hand 1Nt is much better then a single raise of 2H. But does that mean that 2Nt is more foward going then a limit raise? I dont think so. To invite one must make sure that the chance of reaching a good game outweitgh the risk of going down because we are 1 level higher. Forcing ourself to reach 3H instead of 2H should suggest the same risk/benefit calculation then reaching 2Nt instead of 1Nt/2H. On a hand where there is some strong signs that show 3NT as more likely then 4H why would i prefer to play 3M instead of 2Nt ? If im willing to go 1 level higher then the safe 2H why im not willing to go higher then the safe 1Nt ?

 

Maybe the fact that you believe that reaching the correct strain would be easier after 1nt then after 2Nt (i disagree with that) clouded your jugement too much. Its doesnt make any sense to see 2Nt as an overbid (to call it atrocious is plain poor judgment).

 

Partner opened in 1st seat and you have 11hcp a K of that is placed behind and QJx in partner suits. What do you want more ? Its should be at least clear to anyone that 1Nt is a underbid by a spread that is greater than 2Nt is an overbid (some people are considering to force game with the hand and there is a lot more vote for 2Nt then for 1Nt)

[skjaeran]

I agree with Justin and Frances here.

[bill1157]

I'm going out on a limb here. Double. I'll lie like a bastard about the diamond suit because I want to think for a minute before I commit to anything.

I like X also, Maybe X followed by a minimum NT bid (or raise hearts if they are rebid) would convey this hand pretty well.

 

Bill

[pclayton]

Here's another problem with 2N. Unless you play 3 of a minor here as forcing, you are kind of stuck.

An unlimited hand that pull 2nt into a new suit is 100% forcing. Most C players knows that.

Really? I would have thought the opposite. With a strong 5-4 or 5-5, I can cue, bid 3N or jump to 4x. With xx AQxxx, x, Axxxx I really would like the option of bailing in 3♣.

 

I guess I ditched class that day.

[Finch]

Here's another problem with 2N. Unless you play 3 of a minor here as forcing, you are kind of stuck.

An unlimited hand that pull 2nt into a new suit is 100% forcing. Most C players knows that.

Really? I would have thought the opposite. With a strong 5-4 or 5-5, I can cue, bid 3N or jump to 4x. With xx AQxxx, x, Axxxx I really would like the option of bailing in 3♣.

 

I guess I ditched class that day.

Or maybe you aren't a C player?