MarkDean Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 [hv=d=n&v=b&s=sa9843hq852da42c9]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Auction: 1♦ P 1♠ P3♠ P ? What is your call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 This is the perfect hand for a non-serious 3N. If he likes his hand, I feel comfortable with 4♦. There's a lot to like about this hand. Not playing this, 4♦ is OK, but pard could go overboard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 Yes this is easily worth a slam try. In fact if I had to decide the contract right now I would bid 6S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 agree with all the above note opener is likely to have 5 diams :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 I don't think frivolous 3NT should apply here. Opener is limited. 3NT could be choice of game but since opener must be unbalanced, it is probably more useful to play it as a slam invite without shortness. Then 4♣ shows shortness. I would just bid 4♠ though but who am I to argue with Phil and Justin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 I don't think frivolous 3NT should apply here. Opener is limited. 3NT could be choice of game but since opener must be unbalanced, it is probably more useful to play it as a slam invite without shortness. Then 4♣ shows shortness. I would just bid 4♠ though but who am I to argue with Phil and Justin. Well, its a matter of agreement, but I disagree that it should not. We have an eight card fit and there's little use in playing 3N as natural. I can buy 3N as either shortness denying or even a shortness ask. Sort of like the old mathe asking bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 I think I'd bid 3NT also, but as serious. The reason is that I want to get under a 4♣ cue in case partner cannot cue clubs. If partner, for example, cues 4♦ next, I'm taking over. If partner does cue 4♣, I can cue 4♦ and the reject a 4♥ cue. Because I bid 3NT, "rejecting" a 4♥ cue is "last train" for me. Had that been enough, I'd ask. I cannot have no interest after the only available cue, so the "rejection" suggests bidding on if Opener has a reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 to answer the original question: yes, it's worth a slam try but not a slam force KQxxKxKQxxxAx is a not very exciting hand opposite and 6S is huge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 Dealer: North Vul: Both Scoring: IMP ♠ A9843 ♥ Q852 ♦ A42 ♣ 9 Auction: 1♦ P 1♠ P3♠ P ? What is your call? 4d KISS Option two=6s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 I think I'd bid 3NT also, but as serious. The reason is that I want to get under a 4♣ cue in case partner cannot cue clubs. If partner, for example, cues 4♦ next, I'm taking over. If partner does cue 4♣, I can cue 4♦ and the reject a 4♥ cue. Because I bid 3NT, "rejecting" a 4♥ cue is "last train" for me. Had that been enough, I'd ask. I cannot have no interest after the only available cue, so the "rejection" suggests bidding on if Opener has a reason. Agree with this. And if I can't bid 3NT for some reason, a 4♣ cue is soooooo obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 to answer the original question: yes, it's worth a slam try but not a slam force KQxxKxKQxxxAx is a not very exciting hand opposite and 6S is huge I think a 4 loser hand is very exciting for a 3 level raise. But I agree we are worth a slam try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 I don't think frivolous 3NT should apply here. Opener is limited. 3NT could be choice of game but since opener must be unbalanced, it is probably more useful to play it as a slam invite without shortness. Then 4♣ shows shortness. I would just bid 4♠ though but who am I to argue with Phil and Justin. Well, its a matter of agreement, but I disagree that it should not. We have an eight card fit and there's little use in playing 3N as natural. I can buy 3N as either shortness denying or even a shortness ask. Sort of like the old mathe asking bid. I used to play 3N as shortness ask on this auction and 1S p 3S(limit) before i played NS 3N. Not sure which I like more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 I would play 3NT natural on this auction, maybe I'm boring. My non-serious slam try is cuebid once then bid 4♠! I must be crazy. Anyway easy slam try on this hand.Between Jlall's suggestions I think shortness ask is probably good. What is the point in so many levels of slam tries when partner is on a very specific range? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 It's not clear partner's range is so specific. Certainly in terms of HCP and slam suitability his hand can have a wide range. In theory I suppose his playing strength range is pretty narrow but that is kind of like weak NTers saying the auction 1C p 1S p 2S is ok since balanced 16 counts and 11 counts with a stiff are roughly the same, I don't really buy that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 Partner most likely hand is probably a 4153 wich is great shape for us (depending what would he open with 4144). Not making a slam try is a clear mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkDean Posted May 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 Partner most likely hand is probably a 4153 wich is great shape for us (depending what would he open with 4144). Not making a slam try is a clear mistake.I bid 4D with the hand, thinking along the same lines as you, but then I realized that with that hand type, partner would bid 3H - invite with heart shortness. That made me think perhaps I had overbid. Turns out not to matter as we are off two key cards, but have everything else in the deck, so all roads lead to 650. Parnter's hand:♠KQxx♥KJ♦KQxxxx♣Q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 Ive read a setup somewhere. with 15-17 hands that are 4252,2425 they open strong Nt and with 2452,4225 they open normally. 1D------1S3S (stiff H) inv 1D-----1S3H (fragment =stiff clubs) inv+ 1C----1S3red (fragment = stiff in the other red) inv+ 1C----1S3S (4225) inv with 2425 they open 1Nt1C----1H3H (stiff D) 1C----1H3D (stiff S) 1D----1Hthere is no gadget. Im not fond of offshapes Nt openings but showing the stiff economically is fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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