jocdelevat Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 [hv=d=w&v=n&s=sk7hakdkq875ckq73]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] West North East South 1♠ Pass 2♥ Dbl 3♣ Pass 3♥ 4♦ 4♠ Pass Pass ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 Pass. I don't much like the 4♦ bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 Pass. I don't much like the 4♦ bid. Agree. I'm doubling again on the 2nd round. Have some more of that guys. If I still don't hear anything from partner, I'm going to sigh and go for 50s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 Pass. Would not have bid 4D. Who doesn't have his bid? I suspect the 2H bidder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 How can they make game with 20 HCP!!!111!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 How can they make game with 20 HCP!!!111!!! Quite easily if the fit is right. Slams can be made on 23 or so, grands on 27 with all the right controls. Admitedly this may not be a case of a good fit... Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 How can they make game with 20 HCP!!!111!!! Quite easily if the fit is right. Slams can be made on 23 or so, grands on 27 with all the right controls. Admitedly this may not be a case of a good fit... NickWhoosh! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 How can they make game with 20 HCP!!!111!!! Quite easily if the fit is right. Slams can be made on 23 or so, grands on 27 with all the right controls. Admitedly this may not be a case of a good fit... Nick You can make a grand in a suit on a combined 5HCP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 How can they make game with 20 HCP!!!111!!! Quite easily if the fit is right. Slams can be made on 23 or so, grands on 27 with all the right controls. Admitedly this may not be a case of a good fit... Nick You can make a grand in a suit on a combined 5HCP. Show me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 Axxxxxvoidvoidxxxxxxx Jxxxxvoidxxxxxxxxvoid This of course assumes that K and Q of S are both s/t in the opp's hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 I was thinking of more mundane examples :) ♠ x♥ Axxx♦ AQxx♣ Qxxx ♠ xxx♥ x♦ KJxx♣ AKxxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 Who are the opponents? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 Who are the opponents? I think that's the right question to ask. If opps have their bid I may have only two defensive tricks (e.g. one club trick and one heart trick). Wouldn't double unless I know opps are notorious over-bidders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 I recently bid a made a slam on 18 HCP combined. The ♣J was wasted... [hv=d=w&v=n&w=sxhkqxxxdakjtxxxc&e=sxxxxhaxxxdxcjxxx]266|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] 1♦ X 1♥ -4♣ X 4♦ -5♣ - 5♦ -6♥ X - -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 Sample hand for the sole purpose of increasing my post count.... AQJ9xxx---xAJTxx One spade, rebid 3♣, rebid 4 spades. 7-5 isn't shocking, neither is the 13th card being in the unbid suit. This is about what I'd expect if my partner made those bids. If the other opponent has the ace of diamonds, they make 5 (or sometimes 6).If your partner has the ace of diamonds, it's down 1. Before you think this is a 50-50 shot, consider... 1) If RHO doesn't have the ace of diamonds, he bid 2-over-1 with 4 hcp.2) If they go down 1, the difference between doubled and undoubled is 50 points.If they make 5, the difference between doubled and undoubled is 220 points. Still feel like doubling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 Hi, X. The good news is, if it makes we wont loosemuch, also I dont have to play 4Dx. With kind regardsMarlowe PS: I am certainly not bidding 4D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 Why would I double this ? Look at the opp bidding. Can I expect more than a J in PD's hand ? I suspect opener is 7-5 in the blacks. OK it's likely that the ♥ bidder doesn't have his bid, but so what ? Unless the opps are total clowns, I can't see doubling here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 Why would I double this ? Look at the opp bidding. Exactly. People need to remember that when the opps freely bid game (ie not a save), they know what they have. When you X them you are saying "I have something surprising that you could not have known about, and because of that you're going down." If you don't have that something surprising don't X, they know when they are deficient in HCP and they don't care. On this hand you have the worst spade holding ever and only 1 ace. There is nothing surprising except that the hand lays well for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 Smooth pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jocdelevat Posted May 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 [hv=d=w&v=n&n=st93hj763dj963c85&w=saj8542h9dtcajt42&e=sq6hqt8542da42c96&s=sk7hakdkq875ckq73]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] West North East South 1♠ Pass 2♥ Dbl 3♣ Pass 3♥ 4♦ 4♠ Pass Pass Pass I didn't X even I had the hate for that(20hcp hand and I couldn't play.Almost to cry lol). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 It may be because it's 1:00AM, but I would have bid 5♦ with the North hand without even thinking about it. Partner bid 4 diamonds on his own without any encouragement, I have four trumps to an honor. Good enough for me. Especially all white in IMPs. Ooooh, we lost two IMPs for going down 3 doubled. Scary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 It may be because it's 1:00AM, but I would have bid 5♦ with the North hand without even thinking about it. Partner bid 4 diamonds on his own without any encouragement, I have four trumps to an honor. Good enough for me. Especially all white in IMPs. Ooooh, we lost two IMPs for going down 3 doubled. Scary. Balanced two-count. Lose 2 is not the worst thing that can happen. Every once in awhile, my opponents do not make the contracts they bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 It may be because it's 1:00AM, but I would have bid 5♦ with the North hand without even thinking about it. Partner bid 4 diamonds on his own without any encouragement, I have four trumps to an honor. Good enough for me. Especially all white in IMPs. Ooooh, we lost two IMPs for going down 3 doubled. Scary. Balanced two-count. Lose 2 is not the worst thing that can happen. Every once in awhile, my opponents do not make the contracts they bid. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 Balanced two-count. Lose 2 is not the worst thing that can happen. Every once in awhile, my opponents do not make the contracts they bid. If my partner has an actual X-then 4♦ call, and I have 4 diamonds, I don't think they're going down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted May 20, 2008 Report Share Posted May 20, 2008 Balanced two-count. Lose 2 is not the worst thing that can happen. Every once in awhile, my opponents do not make the contracts they bid. If my partner has an actual X-then 4♦ call, and I have 4 diamonds, I don't think they're going down. I don't understand this. Partner has such a good hand that you think they are making? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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