andy_h Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 The advantages about 4C? It's a preempt, and preempts work. Since we are vul, partner would expect me to have my bid, thus he can judge the situation (raising to game, penalising them etc). Plus, people rarely X 4m openings for penalties and they have a hard time to judge whether it's safe to come into the auction or not as opposed to opening it 5C, which they can easily hit that. Don't you just love it when it goes 4C - (4M) - X. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 I will simplify the problem (at the risk of oversimplifying): A bid of 4♣ comes with two ways to loose lots of IMPs, while a bid of 1♣ or 5♣ comes with one way to loose lots of IMPs. To put it very simple (but very clear): 4♣ is twice as bad as the alternatives. That's brilliant man. Clearly this logic is the way to go because ways to win imps on a board don't factor in. You got it exactly! At this state of the match (game swing up, a few boards to go), I am only interested in not loosing a lot of IMPs and not interested in winning IMPs. So, no, in this particular situation, they don't factor in. Nice to see that you understood my post the way it was intended! B) Rik So you maintain that 5C loses lots of imps less often than 4C? You should really rethink that from a common sense point of view. I mean...lol? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 At this state of the match (game swing up, a few boards to go), I am only interested in not loosing a lot of IMPs and not interested in winning IMPs. So, no, in this particular situation, they don't factor in.It could be that this comment was just in self-defense after Justin criticized your earlier post, rather than a serious opinion. But in any case, I would like to mention that being 8 IMPs up with 7 boards to play should not influence your play in any way. Many people do think that as soon as they are a few IMPS ahead, they should immediately tighten up, and nurse those IMPs to the finish line. I can't think of a more likely way to lose a small lead than playing bridge in this way. If you happen to lose 13 IMPs on the last hand (yes, it can happen!), you will regret your deliberate anti-percentage efforts in turning down opportunities to win IMPs on the other 6 hands.I fully agree with you. The difference is that I read the original post a little different from you. You read "You're winning this match by 8 imp's with 7 boards to go" as "8 IMPs up, 7 boards to go. Now this board comes up." Makes perfect sense. I read it as: "You were 8 IMPs up when there were 7 boards to go [, and so far in this last set nothing special has happened]." I read it like that because the OP must have thought that the state of the match was important, otherwise he wouldn't have mentioned it. That makes some sense too, but I probably just put too much emphasis on the state of the match. So, in short, my opinion was serious, but based on different circumstances. Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 1♣. Don't preempt yourself out of 3N Pass works, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 1♣. Don't preempt yourself out of 3N Pass works, too. LOL it probably would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 1♣. Don't preempt yourself out of 3N Pass works, too. Ok now it's getting hard to tell when you are just messing with us... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 1♣. Don't preempt yourself out of 3N Pass works, too. Ok now it's getting hard to tell when you are just messing with us... I have played against Winston a fair amount and he really does pass a lot :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 Playing big club i would open 3C because we have a way to show weaker preempt with 2Nt. Playing natural i would bid 4C. Being 8 imps ahead with 7 board isnt significant enough to change my 4C. 5C red is too much for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catatonic Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 surely the questioned to ask yourself is ...what are the opps liable to do ?where I come from having a punt at 5 clubs is liable to be a popular answer , so that,s for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 :rolleyes: I think the current vote - about half for 1♣ and most of the rest split between 4♣ and 5♣ - is about right. This is one case where the state of the match, the caliber of the opponents and pure table feel make a difference imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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