Superflights#1

[the hog]

Agree with 3H, the 7-card suit makes up for the 6322 shape.

Do you really believe this Han, or are you just being obstreporous? If "Yes", I am surprised. The QT and KQ hon combinations do not pull their weight, so you are effectively jumping on a 14 count at best. In addition, the Hs, despite there being 7 of them, are tatty.

[Fluffy]

The QT and KQ hon combinations do not pull their weight, so you are effectively jumping on a 14 count at best.

Don't forget Kx in spades, I prefer Kx in spades than Ax dunno why.

[ArtK78]

Opener's hand is a 2 1/2 heart bid. 6 losers (MLTC), fair 7 card suit, I would not object to an underbid of 2♥ or an overbid of 3♥.

 

I am a little surprised that no one has commented on the initial response of 1♠. Is there no one out there who wants to consider bidding 2♣ followed by spades and spades? I am sure if faced with this hand in first seat most players would open the bidding. Why not bid out the shape of the hand accurately by making the slight overbid of 2♣?

 

If one was playing Standard or SAYC rather than 2/1, I think 2♣ would be absolutely clear.

[dcvetkov]

Opener's hand is a 2 1/2 heart bid.  6 losers (MLTC), fair 7 card suit, I would not object to an underbid of 2♥ or an overbid of 3♥.

 

I am a little surprised that no one has commented on the initial response of 1♠.  Is there no one out there who wants to consider bidding 2♣ followed by spades and spades?  I am sure if faced with this hand in first seat most players would open the bidding.  Why not bid out the shape of the hand accurately by making the slight overbid of 2♣?

 

If one was playing Standard or SAYC rather than 2/1, I think 2♣ would be absolutely clear.

I agree with 2 1/2 hearts,, probably this hand is closer to 3H then bidding just 2. It is just too likely we will miss a game.

 

Regarding 2C, i think it will be an overbid, even in SAYC, and this hand is not worht that much with void in partners suit. So, you think partner will put the brakes after you bid clubs and twice spades?

 

You would make the same bid with AKJxx - Ax AQxxxx, how is partner gonna know which hand do you have?

[ArtK78]

You would make the same bid with AKJxx - Ax  AQxxxx, how is partner gonna know which hand do you have?

I suspect that once you found a fit, the subsequent bidding with the actual hand and the one that you have will be quite different. The purpose of bidding 2♣ followed by spades and spades is to find a fit. With your example, once a fit is found, the sky is the limit. With the hand shown in this thread, game is the limit.

 

I recognize that 2♣ followed by spade bids is an overbid. But it is not a huge overbid, and it has the advantage of showing your distribution accurately. If you add the CQ to the hand, there is no doubt that one would bid it that way.

[whereagles]

I'll bid 4♣. Must be a good 55 or better, which pretty much looks like what I got.

4♣ looks like a cuebid to me. I'd bid 3♠. Too strong to pass, can't bid clubs, don't have the hearts to raise to 4♥, and can't bid 3NT. Partner's bid will make everything easy.

Well, I got it defined in my system as natural. Yes I bother to write down these auctions :rolleyes:

[whereagles]

I've been agreeing with Ron a lot lately, but this time I don't. I think 3♥ is a perfectly fine bid.

 

Anyway, pard has a difficult decision over 3♠. I guess he's endplayed into 3NT. My 4♣ doesn't make it easier, though. In this case he's endplayed into some 4M bid and pray.

[skjaeran]

I've been agreeing with Ron a lot lately, but this time I don't. I think 3♥ is a perfectly fine bid.

 

Anyway, pard has a difficult decision over 3♠. I guess he's endplayed into 3NT. My 4♣ doesn't make it easier, though. In this case he's endplayed into some 4M bid and pray.

I don't agree with Ron that much, but this time I do.

I think 2♥ is a fine bid (not perfect though).

3♥ is an overbid on this hand.

[Codo]

I nearly always agree with Harald, so I do here.

 

3 Heart is for point counters.

[jdonn]

Agree very strongly that 2♥ is the correct rebid. Maybe 3♥ in general on a 2722 15 count, but this hand is clearly worth less than 15.

[Winstonm]

Agree very strongly that 2♥ is the correct rebid. Maybe 3♥ in general on a 2722 15 count, but this hand is clearly worth less than 15.

With the trend being to open worse and worse hands, maybe we've simply reached the point where you have to jump simply to show that you actually have an opening hand. B)

 

I'm with Josh - this isn't so much about the range of a 3H bid but of hand evaluation: 2722 is flat. KQ and Q10 are overvalued.

 

Move a card or two around:

Kx, AQJ9xxx, 10, KQx compared to:

Kx, AJ9xxxx, Q10, KQ

 

If the difference isn't obvious, I might suggest another game - gin rummy or perhaps pinochle. :)

[the hog]

Your first example has 14 cards Winston, but take away a H and, I agree, it is an obvious 3H bid. I would also bid 3H on Axx KQJTxx x Axx

I would not even bid 3H on the original posted hand if playing a big C system.