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Hand from the club.


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  1. 1. Choose a call.

    • Pass
      0
    • X (penalty)
      0
    • 2N (lebensohl, planning on bidding 3[he] and playing it there)
      3
    • 3[he]
      6
    • 4[he]
      10
    • Other
      1


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Another relevant question - what is a 2 response to 1? In many strong club systems, it shows a long suit with less than a positive response.

 

I would bid 3 now without any problem. I have excellent playing strength for a hand that has announced 0-8 HCP.

 

I would bid 4 if I had a 7th heart, but that begs the question of what would a 2 or 3 bid have meant on the first round of bidding.

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3

 

Edit: it's a poll so I guess I should add some reasoning. I have a fair hand with a six card suit: partner appears to have diamonds, so I restrain my enthusiam and bid three rather than four.

We were playing leb so 3 is game forcing but presumably not sure is the trump suit or looking for something more than game but that is hard to imagine given lack of opener's XX and responder 0-8.

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Another relevant question - what is a 2 response to 1? In many strong club systems, it shows a long suit with less than a positive response.

 

I would bid 3 now without any problem. I have excellent playing strength for a hand that has announced 0-8 HCP.

 

I would bid 4 if I had a 7th heart, but that begs the question of what would a 2 or 3 bid have meant on the first round of bidding.

Immediate 2 would have been 9+ with 4 and 5+.

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Why would you play Lebensohl in this context? You have already limited your hand to 0-8 HCP. Presumably, you wouldn't take a call with 0-3 HCP in this situation, so you must be showing the upper end of your range by bidding.
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4 seems normal. Might be better to transfer at the four-level if such is available.

 

We have a lot of shape and a well-placed spade king, and partner has shown more than a strong notrump. Obviously one can construct partner hands where game is poor, but assuming LHO has a lot of the diamond cards and RHO a lot of the spade cards I think we are odds on to make.

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3

 

Edit: it's a poll so I guess I should add some reasoning.  I have a fair hand with a six card suit:  partner appears to have diamonds, so I restrain my enthusiam and bid three rather than four.

We were playing leb so 3 is game forcing but presumably not sure is the trump suit or looking for something more than game but that is hard to imagine given lack of opener's XX and responder 0-8.

OK

 

So move my vote to 4H (I should have read the options more closely.)

 

I sympathise with a poster who is bombarded with questions. Gt on with it!

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Why would you play Lebensohl in this context? You have already limited your hand to 0-8 HCP. Presumably, you wouldn't take a call with 0-3 HCP in this situation, so you must be showing the upper end of your range by bidding.

Why lose the ability to differentiate 4-6 versus 7-8?

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4 seems normal. Might be better to transfer at the four-level if such is available.

I disagree, it is often helpful to keep the hand with shape and a void hidden. How should RHO know to shift to a club rather than a diamond at trick 2?

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Why would you play Lebensohl in this context?  You have already limited your hand to 0-8 HCP.  Presumably, you wouldn't take a call with 0-3 HCP in this situation, so you must be showing the upper end of your range by bidding.

Why lose the ability to differentiate 4-6 versus 7-8?

If you believe that the difference between 4-6 and 7-8 HCP on this auction is critical, then by all means use Lebehsohl. I don't believe it is that critical, and Lebensohl auctions are always tricky. In the auction presented, there is a good chance that LHO will bid over 2NT if it is used in this sequence, and South will never have an opportunity to show his hand.

 

I have never seen Lebensohl used in a situation where responder had already limited his hand so severly as in this situation. I would have to experiment with the method to see if it is optimal. I suspect not, but I have no experience with it.

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I have no call for an invitational hand with hearts?!

 

Don't you think that's going to be pretty common with this auction? What would 3 show here? 2NT followed by 3? I'm not familiar enough with Lebensohl, I guess.

 

If there's a call that shows 4-6 with hearts, I'll take it. Otherwise, I'll just bid 4.

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4 seems normal. Might be better to transfer at the four-level if such is available.

I disagree, it is often helpful to keep the hand with shape and a void hidden. How should RHO know to shift to a club rather than a diamond at trick 2?

What I really don't want is LHO pushing a club through. If I bid 4 myself, then LHO is on opening lead (chance to push a club through, although he will often lead spades or from a diamond sequence). If I transfer to hearts, then LHO can't really even get the lead, and there is also the possibility of RHO leading a diamond at trick one into a possible tenace in partner's hand.

 

Anyways, playing 4 from my side RHO can see the dummy's minor suit holdings at trick two. Chances are dummy holds a tenace in at least one suit, and RHO's best defense is to switch to the other suit (regardless of which minor it is; forcing my hand could easily be the best defense).

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I sympathise with a poster who is bombarded with questions. Gt on with it!

LOL

 

Don't you think it is relevant to know what the double means? Most people I know play that this double shows the majors which would be very relevant and would explain the extremely weird timing of the 2S bid. Who passes over a strong 2C bid and then bids 2S over a diamond showing double?

 

I don't know the system now but I would normally bid 3D showing hearts and pass 3H.

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Yes, the 2 has pretty strange timing. I'm wondering if she thought the X was for majors. If she thought that, she should have alerted. I suspect she might have thought that because she had less length that you might expect in .

 

Out of curiosity, if it goes 1N (15-17) and you hold this hand, do you think out of 7 tables you aren't going to get anybody in 4? How many tables would you think are going to transfer to 2 and not even invite?

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Out of curiosity, if it goes 1N (15-17) and you hold this hand, do you think out of 7 tables you aren't going to get anybody in 4? How many tables would you think are going to transfer to 2 and not even invite?

In an average club roughly 0 pairs are going to be in game, but partner might have 18, and I don't pay too much attention to what the field does anyway. Still, I would not force to game with this hand.

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Out of curiosity, if it goes 1N (15-17) and you hold this hand, do you think out of 7 tables you aren't going to get anybody in 4? How many tables would you think are going to transfer to 2 and not even invite?

I would invite, but at most clubs I've been to I would expect signing off to be a huge majority action.

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If you play Texas transfers, you can bid 4 as a transfer to hearts over an overcall up until and including an overcall of 3 .

 

If you want to bid more solidly just bid 3 on the playing strength of your hand.

I would bid 4 Texas because of the lead factor is probably worth 1 trick.

 

Cheers,

 

Theo

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