European Team championships

[the hog]

Gotta go with the Swedes and our homeboy Ulf :)

 

Since I am half Swedish, I am also going to root for Ulf.

Really?! Be careful in which country you say this. :D

[Walddk]

Gotta go with the Swedes and our homeboy Ulf :)

 

Since I am half Swedish, I am also going to root for Ulf.

Really?! Be careful in which country you say this. :)

I may be one of the few Danes who don't say 'Keep Denmark clean, see a Swede to the ferry'. Danes and Swedes love to tease each other :D

 

Roland

[skjaeran]

Maybe this is dumb but why is tor not playing?

I asked him today, he said "I've played it for 30 years I need a rest" lol

LOL! Tor is actually going to the US with his younger son who's starting studying over there. I guess they'll be playing poker in Vegas during the EC. :D

[Gerben42]

This the one? :P

 

Jonas Helness: http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=50614

[MFA]

but some sources say one favorite team could be... RUSSIA if they have Balicki - Zmudzinski in their ranks.

I was told that this issue will be decided next week.

 

Robert

The Russians have now posted their line-up on the official eurobridge site, and Balicki-Zmudzinski is not in it.

[paulg]

but some sources say one favorite team could be... RUSSIA if they have Balicki - Zmudzinski in their ranks.

I was told that this issue will be decided next week.

 

Robert

The Russians have now posted their line-up on the official eurobridge site, and Balicki-Zmudzinski is not in it.

Although they are currently a team of four .... so there is space available.

[Walddk]

but some sources say one favorite team could be... RUSSIA if they have Balicki - Zmudzinski in their ranks.

I was told that this issue will be decided next week.

 

Robert

The Russians have now posted their line-up on the official eurobridge site, and Balicki-Zmudzinski is not in it.

Although they are currently a team of four .... so there is space available.

I can't see it is possible at this point, because ...

 

All entries to the Championships must be submitted electronically using the link below, by 1 April 2008. It is very important that this deadline be respected.

 

<snip>

 

Registration of team rosters must be made by 15 April 2008.

 

It appears that the Russians have violated that deadline, but maybe there is more to it than we know.

 

Roland

[ulven]

Yes, it is strange. Kokish recently came back from a coaching trip to Moscow and told me that it wasn't decided when he left if B-Z would play.

 

He confirmed that the matter, apparantly, would be decided this week. I didn't ask why.

 

It's seems as if it's still possible to amend players.

[Aberlour10]

but some sources say one favorite team could be... RUSSIA if they have Balicki - Zmudzinski in their ranks.

I was told that this issue will be decided next week.

 

Robert

The Russians have now posted their line-up on the official eurobridge site, and Balicki-Zmudzinski is not in it.

Although they are currently a team of four .... so there is space available.

I can't see it is possible at this point, because ...

 

All entries to the Championships must be submitted electronically using the link below, by 1 April 2008. It is very important that this deadline be respected.

 

<snip>

 

Registration of team rosters must be made by 15 April 2008.

 

It appears that the Russians have violated that deadline, but maybe there is more to it than we know.

 

Roland

these informations come from russian sites and are unconfirmed:

 

1) Team Russia was correctly registered with pairs A, B, C before deadline.

 

2) Participating of pair C is still issue in Credential Committee of EBL

 

3) Participating of pairs A & B is already submitted and published

 

4) If EBL will not allow pair C to start in Europeans, a pair D can be nominated.

 

Robert

[Walddk]

2) Participating of pair C is still issue in Credential Committee of EBL

It's not difficult to figure out that the pair in question is Balicki - Zmudzinski. Whether they are eligible or not remains to be seen. The issue is obviously the EBL Bona Fide Residence Requirements.

 

If you scroll back (page 1), you will see the requirements in full.

 

Roland

[Aberlour10]

2) Participating of pair C is still issue in Credential Committee of EBL

It's not difficult to figure out that the pair in question is Balicki - Zmudzinski. Whether they are eligible or not remains to be seen. The issue is obviously the EBL Bona Fide Residence Requirements.

 

If you scroll back (page 1), you will see the requirements in full.

 

Roland

maybe these points are reason why giving the ruling lasting so long:

 

Those players who are unable to demonstrate to the absolute satisfaction of the EBL’s Credentials Committee will not be allowed to represent the chosen country in international championships.

 

If the Credential’s Committee is not satisfied with the documents submitted it may require further proof and/or information.

[TimG]

Perhaps this should be asked in the Water Cooler, but other than "that's the way it has always been", why is it important to have teams made up of members living in the same country?

[helene_t]

Perhaps this should be asked in the Water Cooler, but other than "that's the way it has always been", why is it important to have teams made up of members living in the same country?

Because people have a nasty habit of identifying with their country. More people would root for a team carrying the name of a country than for a team named after their sponsor, or some funny acronym.

 

Therefore, contests between countries attract more public attention and more sponsors.

[Gerben42]

Perhaps this should be asked in the Water Cooler, but other than "that's the way it has always been", why is it important to have teams made up of members living in the same country?

 

Very simple, the teams involve represent the country they are playing for. I know I had some funny feeling when I represented Germany, and even more so when I was playing against the Netherlands.

 

There are plenty of tournaments that work differently, like the transnationals.

[hotShot]

Perhaps this should be asked in the Water Cooler, but other than "that's the way it has always been", why is it important to have teams made up of members living in the same country?

In other sports, you are required to have the nationality of he country that you compete for. So in a way this regulation is relaxed.

 

On the other hand in an united Europe nationality should be completely irrelevant (for competition in sports).

[Codo]

On the other hand in an united Europe nationality should be completely irrelevant (for competition in sports).

You are not from Europe, are you?

 

Great Britain exists since a million years, but they still play as England, Scotland, Wales and NI.

 

And there is not much sense in an European Championship with the starters: EU, Switzerland, Russia and two others.

 

We all prefer to cheer for our home crowd. In my opinion we should be more stringent about who starts for which country not less.

 

I have really no idea why B_Z should be able to start for Russia.

[helene_t]

I have really no idea why B_Z should be able to start for Russia.

It's a win-win. Russia's team would improve, B-Z would play on a team they like to play for, and the Polish team (disclaimer: my unqualified guess) would not care since B-Z would neither want to nor be allowed to play for the Polish team.

[hotShot]

Great Britain exists since a million years, but they still play as England, Scotland, Wales and NI.

So why should the Basque's, Bavarians or [place your favorite local group here] not be allowed to compete?

And there is not much sense in an European Championship with the starters: EU, Switzerland, Russia and two others.

I think the winner of the Super Bowl is called World Champion ...

We all prefer to cheer for our home crowd. In my opinion we should be more stringent about who starts for which country not less.

 

I have really no idea why B_Z should be able to start for Russia.

Competing in a championship for "people living an specified region" makes much more sense to me than a championship for "people you are spread all over the world, but inherited a nationality".

[TimG]

In other sports, you are required to have the nationality of he country that you compete for. So in a way this regulation is relaxed.

In some events, yes. In some events, no. There are some Brazilians that play in the English premiere league, no?

 

Are there prestigious European events that are open, sort of the equivalent of the ACBL's Spingold and Vanderbilt?

[Gerben42]

Are there prestigious European events that are open, sort of the equivalent of the ACBL's Spingold and Vanderbilt?

 

Yes, the Open European Championships. But they were then held in Menton under horrid conditions, and the "rest of the world" has not been hot to participate ever since.

[Walddk]

Are there prestigious European events that are open, sort of the equivalent of the ACBL's Spingold and Vanderbilt?

Tim, I don't think you have been following European bridge closely over the past five years. The 1st European Open Championships took place in Menton, France, in 2003, to be followed by the 2nd in Tenerife, Spain, in 2005. And to be followed by the 3rd in Antalya, Turkey, in 2007.

 

Note Open. It's open to everyone (just like the French Open in tennis for example), regardless of nationality. Many North Americans participated in all three events.

 

Roland

[Fluffy]

Nobody supports Spain? :(.

 

Oh well, the players don't think they have a chance themselves so its ok :)

 

I will support Netherlands, Norway and specially Sweden, go Per-Ola!

[Codo]

I have really no idea why B_Z should be able to start for Russia.

It's a win-win. Russia's team would improve, B-Z would play on a team they like to play for, and the Polish team (disclaimer: my unqualified guess) would not care since B-Z would neither want to nor be allowed to play for the Polish team.

I don't share your view.

 

The opponents lose, because Russia should be stronger then without them.

The Poles lose, because they will "never" be able to line up this strong pair again.

 

So the win win situation is just for the pair and Russia. Anybody else looses.

[TimG]

Tim, I don't think you have been following European bridge closely over the past five years.

No, I have not been following European bridge closely.

[Codo]

Great Britain exists since a million years, but they still play as England, Scotland, Wales and NI.

So why should the Basque's, Bavarians or [place your favorite local group here] not be allowed to compete?

And there is not much sense in an European Championship with the starters: EU, Switzerland, Russia and two others.

I think the winner of the Super Bowl is called World Champion ...

We all prefer to cheer for our home crowd. In my opinion we should be more stringent about who starts for which country not less.

 

I have really no idea why B_Z should be able to start for Russia.

Competing in a championship for "people living an specified region" makes much more sense to me than a championship for "people you are spread all over the world, but inherited a nationality".

1. As far as I know, just countries are allowed to participate. There is just one exception: The members of the common wealth are all able to play under their own flag. Their surely is an historical reason for this, but I don't know it.

 

2. Yanks call the winners of the super bowl world champion (?), they call the finals of the baseball season as world series. But who cares, these are quite regional events. :) To call soemthing world series where the world did not participate is good merchandising, nothing else.

 

3. You may belive that a championship of the regions makes more sense then competion of nations, but this is simply not the view of the majority. If we have our soccer games between all 16 states of Germany there are about 5.000 people who enjoy the show. For the WC games there had been millions of interessted people.