spwdo Posted March 18, 2004 Report Share Posted March 18, 2004 hi u might want to check out http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/acbl_alt.htm#alert rule 19 there, i think its official acbl alerting procedure, if not coorect me pleasein any case with the self alert we have to do online, when ever i get an explanation from opps in private i ask him/her to please use the bidding box for that so i know my partner knows also.95% of players is using jac trsfers after strong nt so for not making alerting and adjusting any harder then it is already , maybe good thing to use that as a standard, natural response after 1 nt is alertable, weak nt also alertable and so on what is used more widly isnt a bad thing when it becomes standard, uncommen things are uncommen and therefore need alert, only my simple suggestion to cut down the rules a little and actually spend more time with playing, having fun then . in this cause i think i adjust when i was called to the table, have to review the full hand before i say defantly, but a warning 100%, i think abalucy and A bridge to far are similar (in rules i ment) and a clear guideline is was has been told several times, "alert when u wonder if your bid needs an alert". i think your winning in bridge should be a result of your bidding expertice and cardplay, not from what u can hide from opps and thefore trick them, besides some louzy points in the thing ben mentioned, what is the gain and possibly they felt some guilt after seeing the cold 4!S and the conversation between ben and partner, im sure i woud marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted March 18, 2004 Report Share Posted March 18, 2004 A couple of issues. First, upon reflection, misho and I should have called the director to protect the field, if not us, from our own lapse of not asking for meaning of 2♥. Second, I know the opponents and respect them both. I don't think they were intentionally trying to hide anything from us. If I bid 2♥ natural in that situation, I wouldn't think to alert it either, as I always alert the jacoby transfer, and in addition to allerting write jacoby, or transfer or -->2♠ in the dialogue box. But like my opponent, not alerting a natural bid would seem "normal to me." Misho's problem with hand was also an education to me. :-) Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted March 18, 2004 Report Share Posted March 18, 2004 hi u might want to check out http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/acbl_alt.htm#alert rule 19 there, i think its official acbl alerting procedure, ...<snip> marcCould I please implore readers NOT to follow this advice? The site may accurately state "official acbl alerting procedure", but the reader may fall into the trap of thinking that it is some relevance to an event that is not subject to acbl jurisdiction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted March 18, 2004 Report Share Posted March 18, 2004 If I bid 2♥ natural in that situation, I wouldn't think to alert it either, as I always alert the jacoby transfer, and in addition to allerting write jacoby, or transfer or -->2♠ in the dialogue box. But like my opponent, not alerting a natural bid would seem "normal to me." Misho's problem with hand was also an education to me. :-) I frequently use the chat to opponents facility to explain things to opponents natural bids that I might not alert. e.g. 1♥/♠ I tell the opponents "we play 4-card majors" 1♣/♦ I tell the opponents "Almost guarantees 4-card suit as we play 4-card majors" Since so many play transfers and do not alert I would do the same (chat to opponents) and tell them if I played 2♥/♠ as natural over 1NT. In general I like explanations that describe the hand you are showing so I usually explain my transfers as "Showing five hearts" rather than "Jacoby" or the like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spwdo Posted March 18, 2004 Report Share Posted March 18, 2004 hi, knew i didnt make myself clear , i probaly stop some day to post replies, i never ment to suggest in this particulary case its was an intention to trick opps , i just made a general comment on the issue if some do this on purposse as a convention so to say.I probaly went talking about the sideeffect of nonalerts or false explaination and wasnt at all referring to the intional post or players involved , i just took that as an example . As far the alerting link i provide, neveri have stated some slitest remark , suggestion or whatever that this is "the official acbl" site with their alerting procedures, just a copy of what is theirs for everybody to read upon who is interested in the topic so NO ACBL JURISTITION, NO ACBL EVENTS, NOTHING TO DO WITH ACBL, NO TRAP EITHER PFFFFFFFF TRAP if u quote me friend dont take things out of context and suggesting that i in any thing i posted made a connection to acbl events, wher the hell did you make that out:( :( :(just a copy i found with google because the "under acbl jurisdiction thing" wasnt easy or not at all found :( :( :( im afriad to post here if u want my overall view, seems that everything that can be taken out of context or misinterpreted can and will be and attack upon from members with far better languages skills , me trying to actife taken a role here in posting is been punisched(dont know a better word and translater doesnt provide one in english) several times only based upon languages problems i have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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