TimG Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 V/NV, IMPs, P-P-1♣ to you holding ♠AQJ ♥K98xx ♦KQ9x ♣x. Double or overcall 1♥? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 Double. If the hearts were better, then an overcall might make more sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babalu1997 Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 dble and the reason is that you have the reuired shape, the hcp, and should the opps buy the contract or even bid nt you do not necessarily wnt partner to lead hearts. now if the hand were kxx in sapdes aqjxx in hearts, then overcall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 1♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 Usually this problem is given with 4-5 in the majors and lousy hearts, making it a close and interesting decision. With 3541 there is no decision. Obvious 1♥ if ever there was one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 1H all day, you need to find 5-3 fits and if you X you won't be able to bid hearts later. If you bid hearts and then X later however you show your hand exactly. The only problem comes up when you play in 1H instead of a better suit when partner can't bid 1S or 1N or 2D over 1H, but that is a very small thing to worry about compared to everything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 1H. I understand why this was posted, but I think 1H is pretty obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 1♥. Two card disparity between hearts and spades. If it was 4531 it'd be a more interesting question... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 Obvious 1H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 1H all day, you need to find 5-3 fits and if you X you won't be able to bid hearts later. If you bid hearts and then X later however you show your hand exactly. The only problem comes up when you play in 1H instead of a better suit when partner can't bid 1S or 1N or 2D over 1H, but that is a very small thing to worry about compared to everything else. Yes 100% looking for that 5-3 major fit, and since I have only 3♠ there's too much chance that PD is 4-3 in majors and we end up in the wrong spot. .. neilkaz .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 1♥ with this suit vulnerable may feel scary but there is no alternative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 1♥ and I'm not scared at all. On the contrary: feeling quite confident about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcvetkov Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 1!H all day. I admit that problem hand with 4 spades would be much more interesting. Should we vote on that one? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 Textbook 1♥ and later double of 2♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted May 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 Textbook 1♥ and later double of 2♣.Suppose instead you hear (see): (1♣)-1♥-(1N)-P; P-? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 Well, then you dbl or bid 2♦. Prefer dbl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 Textbook 1♥ and later double of 2♣.Suppose instead you hear (see): (1♣)-1♥-(1N)-P; P-? I wouldn't feel any better if I doubled first and heard 1N on my left. Or 1♥. I'd probably pass 1N. Sure they might be jacking me around but pard couldn't raise hearts and couldn't double 1N. If LHO has 4-4 in the reds, we are getting slaughtered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 I'd pass 1NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 Pass 1NT and be glad the auction told me to get out. If they are jerking me around, wd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 Textbook 1♥ and later double of 2♣.Suppose instead you hear (see): (1♣)-1♥-(1N)-P; P-? I play X as takeout of clubs in this auction and always considered that to be standard. You can't really have a penalty X in this situation. edit: wow han and josh how do you play X in this auction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 edit: wow han and josh how do you play X in this auction? What's the difference if I don't want to come back in on this hand regardless. Ok maybe I'm a wimp, but we certainly don't have game any more, and if we don't hit a diamond fit then I can easily see us getting killed with the hearts over us and no one having a fit. I just think bidding is small upside and big downside, both vul at imps. You meant han, josh, and phil btw :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 Ok maybe I'm a wimp, but we certainly don't have game any more I don't agree with this, you just need a good fit to make a game. Imagine if partner bids 3S over the X with 6 spades and a smattering of values. But obviously it's more of a question of a partscore hand. Giving up on making a partscore in something seems beyond pessimistic to me, partner needs a 5 card suit and not much else (or 3 hearts and a little bit). I just think bidding is small upside and big downside, both vul at imps. I think you don't go for a number all that often and find a making score when you likely wouldn't have beat them a lot of the time. I think you are giving the 1N bid way too much credit and are being overly pessimistic to the point where you are rolling over and dying with a hand that has good potential. Oh, and you never answered my question. The difference is I want to be able to tell if you feel that you have a t/o X available and are choosing not to use it or feel that you do not have a t/o X and thus are choosing to pass because you have no good way to show your hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 Ok maybe I'm a wimp, but we certainly don't have game any more I don't agree with this, you just need a good fit to make a game. Imagine if partner bids 3S over the X with 6 spades and a smattering of values. But obviously it's more of a question of a partscore hand. Giving up on making a partscore in something seems beyond pessimistic to me, partner needs a 5 card suit and not much else (or 3 hearts and a little bit). I just think bidding is small upside and big downside, both vul at imps. I think you don't go for a number all that often and find a making score when you likely wouldn't have beat them a lot of the time. I think you are giving the 1N bid way too much credit and are being overly pessimistic to the point where you are rolling over and dying with a hand that has good potential. Oh, and you never answered my question. The difference is I want to be able to tell if you feel that you have a t/o X available and are choosing not to use it or feel that you do not have a t/o X and thus are choosing to pass because you have no good way to show your hand. IF we catch a fit you mean. This is a non-fit auction and I don't see any reason why we should. Even if pard has a five card suit I expect it will be led and we'll be beat 1N. Maybe lose 2 against +110 or something but that doesn't mitigate the downside of LHO sawing us off. Game really seems far off to me. Even if I catch a magical ♠Kxxxx across the table we are a long way from 10 tricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 Oh, and you never answered my question. The difference is I want to be able to tell if you feel that you have a t/o X available and are choosing not to use it or feel that you do not have a t/o X and thus are choosing to pass because you have no good way to show your hand. Double is definitely takeout. I'm heavily influenced by the vul and by my heart suit since the king seems useless. Maybe too influenced. I am still not seeing the good potential you refer to. Partner must have a very bad hand and I'm not sure why we should have any fit at all. I think it once had potential, and that went down the toilet. Edit: Oh WOW I totally had the vul wrong all this time lol. I take it back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 6, 2008 Report Share Posted May 6, 2008 Even if pard has a five card suit I expect it will be led and we'll be beat 1N. Maybe lose 2 against +110 or something but that doesn't mitigate the downside of LHO sawing us off. It's both vul so that would be a push. Edit: The above edit was meant for this post lol. Did I confuse anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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