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4 bid what you think you can make ! Opener should have no less than 4 and 3's so looks best to me. I won't muddy the waters with any Q bids and just put the do we bid 5 or not question to the opps quickly.

 

I don't expect PD to have a hand too good to overcall 2 when I hold 8 HCP and both opps bid routinely. I don't expect a slam either with my mediocre holding.

 

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4.

 

Does anyone have any rational alternate call?

not sure if it's rational, but I kinda like a responsive Double followed by some # of s

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4 but don't delude yourself this will end your problems. Our NV opponents will probably save at these colors, and we'll have to deal with that later. We also might have a slam opposite the right non-minimum.

 

4 doesn't set up a forcing pass for me, and I'd rather have that available. Yet, I can't bring myself to bid 3 or 4.

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4 but don't delude yourself this will end your problems. Our NV opponents will probably save at these colors, and we'll have to deal with that later. We also might have a slam opposite the right non-minimum.

 

4 doesn't set up a forcing pass for me, and I'd rather have that available. Yet, I can't bring myself to bid 3 or 4.

FWIW I certainly intend to double if they bid on. Even 4 may have been down, and when they are w/r they will save on anything so I'm very confident doubling them.

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