Route to slam?

[1eyedjack]

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Suggest a route to 6D[/hv]

[whereagles]

Open 2♣. Should be easy from there.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

not easy, especially if they compete in clubs up to

3C / 4C, the only pos. thing is, we are both red.

 

First assume they stay silent:

 

1D (1) - 1H (1)

3D (2) - 4D (3)

4NT (4) - 5H (4)

5S (5) - 6D (5)

 

(1) SAYC style

(2) not everyone will like it, it is quite

heavy, if you dont like it try 3C or

try conventional methods

(3) sets trumps, forward going, given you

hold two Aces and know about a 6-3 fit

(4) RKCB, 2 KC

(5) asking for specific kings, no king

 

The main problem is the heavy 3D rebid,

... but at least I am consistent over time,

my partners have a chance to know this.

 

One possible conventional solution is to

use 2NT instead of 3D, or invert the meaning

of 2D and 3D.

 

If they compete, ... maybe using a good / bad

2NT auction will help you, the advantage in this

scenario, you will be able to generate a game

forcing seq.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[jdonn]

Open 2♣. Should be easy from there.

The original poster was careless. He should have said realistic route.

[Winstonm]

I don't think you can get there from here.

[1eyedjack]

I rather like the idea of inverting the 2D and 3D rebid. Have to think some more on that

[CSGibson]

I would get to 3NT via the auction 1♦-1♥-2N-3♦*-3N

 

Where 3♦ is checkback (3♣ would be a signoff). Playing methods where 3♣ is checkback and 3♦ is forward-going with support, I can imagine an auction where people took a view:

 

....2N-3C*-3D-4D-4NT-...

 

that gets you to 6 diamonds.

[han]

2NT-3C-3D-3NT-6D.

[CSGibson]

2NT-3C-3D-3NT-6D.

yeah, good point, there really is no good way to get to slam after opening 2NT. That was your point, right?

 

I mean, partner has the same auction with one less ace, so I'm assuming that your point was that you make that bid double dummy but only double dummy, right?

[Vilgan]

I think this is one of those slams that precision people will find fairly easily and 2/1 or SAYC players will really struggle with. Not saying omg precision > all else, but this is definitely one hand where that system wins. opening 2♣ might get you there.. but its a tad light in uberness for me to open 2♣ on it personally. I've had 15 hcp hands that were much stronger.

 

Eric

[Guest Jlall]

I love a 2N opener, so I'd miss slam.

[whereagles]

Open 2♣. Should be easy from there.

The original poster was careless. He should have said realistic route.

Don't be stupid. 2♣ is a perfectly reasonable way to bid strong 2 hands.

[Guest Jlall]

Open 2♣. Should be easy from there.

The original poster was careless. He should have said realistic route.

Don't be stupid. 2♣ is a perfectly reasonable way to bid strong 2 hands.

I don't think he disagrees! If only this was a strong 2.

[whereagles]

I don't think he disagrees! If only this was a strong 2.

Well, in my book this fits the "Strong 2" definition. Just barely, but it does.

[jdonn]

Open 2♣. Should be easy from there.

The original poster was careless. He should have said realistic route.

Don't be stupid.

Agreed! Care to post the hand as an opening bid and find out how stupid everyone but you is? Or should I do it?

[jtfanclub]

1♣ X P 2♣ P 2NT P 4NT P 5♥ P 6♦

 

Well, WE were reasonable...

[bill1157]

maybe 1d-1h-2s-4s-5d-6d?

 

Bill

[Winstonm]

2NT-3C-3D-3NT-6D.

Obviously, you don't know much about bidding.

 

It should be: 2N-3C-3D-3N-4D-5D-6D

[Cascade]

Some variation on

 

2NT 4NT

6♦ looks reasonable to me

 

We might bid

 

2NT 3♣

3♦ 4NT

6♦

 

Where 3♣ is our version of puppet Stayman and 4NT would promise both majors and be too strong for 3NT.

[whereagles]

Some variation on

 

2NT 4NT

6♦ looks reasonable to me

Last time I accepted an invite with an under min and extra cards, it required a good break and some guesswork... (the 1st of which failed). It cost some bucks in prize-money.

 

Guess I can blame it on pard for making an invite when he knew we'd have at most 32 hcp :P

[Guest Jlall]

Some variation on

 

2NT 4NT

6♦ looks reasonable to me

 

We might bid

 

2NT 3♣

3♦ 4NT

6♦

 

Where 3♣ is our version of puppet Stayman and 4NT would promise both majors and be too strong for 3NT.

What? What's your 2N range? If it is a normal 20-21 then I can't see inviting with 30-31 and no fit.

[inquiry]

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Suggest 1♦ - 1♥

2♣ - 3NT

4♦ - 4♥

6♦ - pass

 

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This is playing Misho's NEW MINOR FORCING by opener, showing a strong hand that is either one suited (diamonds), two suited (both minors), or balanced (17/19), it also denies 4♥ or 4♠. Over 2♣, a jump to 3NT shows a balanced hand and 9-12 hcp. It also promises a spade stopper, only 4♥'s. 4♦ is a slam try, and 4♥ is cue-bid cooperating (not minimum).

 

Rather than bidding 3NT, North also could have raised diamonds instead of bidding 3NT with a transfer to 3♦ (a bid of 3♣) which shows at least game invite or better and a diamond fit. But 3NT is so descriptive, I prefer that bid with this hand.

[mikeh]

I don't think I'd open 2N with this hand.

 

1♦  1♥

3♣  3♦

3♠  4♥

 

if we have that start, we may get there.. but even after this, it isn't 100% clear.

 

I do think that the sequence 1♦ then 3♣ is (slightly) superior to 2N as an opening bid, but I may be affected by the realization that 2N makes bidding slam absolutely impossible in any rational auction.

[han]

I really don't like the plan 1D followed by 3C. You will only be able to clarify your hand type if you go past 3NT, and you can't make that decision well before you have clarified your hand type. Errr :) . Yeah I think that's what I meant to say.

 

And what is 3S in your auction Mike, doesn't that express doubt about a spade stopper? But you have AJx? Isn't 4H a suggestion to play there? Then how can you not pass holding KQ tight when you have denied 3 of them.

 

Or do you think that 3D sets trump and 3S and 4H are cuebids? That would be very unCanadian of you. ;)

[cherdano]

I would definitely open 2N and play 3N.

 

I keep wondering, though, whether the sequence 1D 1x 3N should rather be used to show this kind of hand, instead of the solid suit with some other stuff.