1eyedjack Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 [hv=d=e&v=b&s=s854h9dat94caqj52]133|100|Scoring: IMPE...S...W...N2H..?? 2H = weak 2[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 Routine dbl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 Double is clearly best just like if your RHO were to open 1H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 I would like to have 4+♠ or more points to bid dbl. So I prefer 3♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 I somewhat prefer dbl to 3♣ here as we could belong in ♦ or PD could have 5♠. Sure I'd like to have a 4th ♠ or at least Hxx, but at least I likely can ruff a ♥ and have useful side cards if PD gets carried away. Pass is possible, I'd likely pass if a ♦ were a ♥ here, although bidding 3♣ then is not terrible to me, but if I did, I'd consider it almost sub-min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 Routine pass - this is that hand that makes weak 2-bids so effective at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 Ok I'll break the ice on the correct call. PASS. Darnit Winston beat me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 Double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 Routine pass. Not strong enough for a double or an overcall, and the spade "suit" (and the use of quotes is deliberate) is not even close to adequate for a double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 Could those who pass, please tell us the requirements for the reopening in 4th seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 I am sure that we could, but we are in direct seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 I am sure that we could, but we are in direct seat. The requirements for the reopening is related to the possible strength of the pass in direct seat. So if you pass a 5431 shaped 11 count in direct seat, when do you reopen? I'm sure that those who bid will require more in 4th seat.If I pass my partner will expect less than 12 (11) HCP often with bad shape, so he won't reopen in 4th seat with less than good 12 HCP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 Passing is really terrible, definitely X not close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 Could those who pass, please tell us the requirements for the reopening in 4th seat. Your looking at it, or real close to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 Passing is really terrible, definitely X not close. I don't know, Justin, with the 2 world championships and the fine showing in the recent Spingold it is getting harder to argue with you....a little like trying to argue Einstein was wrong.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 Passing is really terrible, definitely X not close. I don't know, Justin, with the 2 world championships and the fine showing in the recent Spingold it is getting harder to argue with you....a little like trying to argue Einstein was wrong.... lol don't wory I am not a bridge god yet, so I can be wrong (amazing I know!). I feel pretty strongly about this one though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted May 4, 2008 Report Share Posted May 4, 2008 This is a decent hand. We'd like 4 spades to double, or at least Hxx, but passing violates the cardinal rule of competing over a preempt: "The hand with shortness gets in the bidding". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted May 4, 2008 Report Share Posted May 4, 2008 Passing is certainly not "terrible". I would x but it is a close thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted May 4, 2008 Report Share Posted May 4, 2008 Easy X Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted May 4, 2008 Report Share Posted May 4, 2008 We'd like 4 spades to double You got a mouse in your pocket or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted May 4, 2008 Report Share Posted May 4, 2008 We'd like 4 spades to double You got a mouse in your pocket or something? No, Phil is whispering violently in the ear of pclayton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 ;) Now some arguments against - not that they are right: First, the hand is toward the low end of a t.o. double - the lower the HCP the more "perfect" in shape it should be. Second, this is not a question of taking out at the one-level, but the 2-level, and there should be an distinction between good enough to double at the 1-level and good enough for a 2-level double. Third, it puts partner in a spot with an invitational strength hand - especially a hand with 4 spades. I believe this is one of those hands where feeling like you should bid is the right feeling, but bidding or doubling is the wrong action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 "The hand with shortness gets in the bidding". If you pass you mostly likely defend 2H, which will be bad most likely. If you double some bad things can happen, mostly when partner holds exactly 4 spades and is exactly invitational. On many other hands you do well by competing for the partscore or bidding good games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomb3113 Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 I play the following: -X shows a strong balanced hand (NT overcall type)-2NT shows a good 3 level overcall (16+)-an overcall shows 11-15 So I have an easy 3c and partner won t expect too much from me.Also when i X 2h partner will know that i have a balanced hand and will pass when it s right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 Pass. I don't see why passing here is too bad-surely if partner has 5 spades and decent values he'd bid them in passout seat. Sure, it's more difficult to compete for a partscore but if you X, most of the time surely partner will be bidding spades. In any case, I prefer slightly extra strength for a direct X than a 4th seat X. If partner can't bid 2♠, 2NT or 3m we won't miss game anyway most of the time. Yes, I'll agree we may be robbed by passing given the singleton heart, but I'm happy to live with that for more accurate game bidding. At MPs I'd X. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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