jillybean Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Dealer: East Vul: None Scoring: IMP ♠ A85 ♥ K6532 ♦ 64 ♣ AT3 West North East South - - Pass 1♥ Pass 2♦ Dbl ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 This is an easy pass, there is nothing to say and no hurry to declare notrump with no tenaces at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted April 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 And without the double, easy 2♥? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 And without the double, easy 2♥? 2NT is not wrong by definition in 2/1, but I would prefer 2♥. It's almost certainly better if partner declares notrump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 And without the double, easy 2♥? ... or 2NT depending on agreement. By the way, one can also pass this handinstead of opening it. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 By the way, one can also pass this handinstead of opening it. With kind regardsMarlowe With a comment like that, you risk having your Forum privileges suspended. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 echo jdonn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcLight Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 By the way, one can also pass this handinstead of opening it. With kind regardsMarlowe With a comment like that, you risk having your Forum privileges suspended. :rolleyes: Using the Rule of 20 this is not an opening bid.The heart spots are terrible. Some would open, some would pass. I dont think this is a clear opener. AxxAKTxxxxxxx This has the same honor strength but rearranged. This I would certainly be happy to open 1H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 Pass, saying 'I have nothing to say'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcvetkov Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 This is an easy pass, wtp. I think we should limit the number of wtp hands in forums :rolleyes: . I ve seen number of challenging hands problems seems to diminish, but maybe I a wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 I'm normally a light opener but.... I'd pass this hand if playing SAYC or 2/1. Only time I'd consider opening would be in a strong club context or other light opening oriented system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 Thanks RHO, now I can pass :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted May 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 This is an easy pass, wtp. I think we should limit the number of wtp hands in forums :) . I ve seen number of challenging hands problems seems to diminish, but maybe I a wrong. Should we check with you before posting a hand and then you can reject anything that is too silly, simple or boring for you? I find people are quick to quote laws in this game, this one being that the 2♦ bid forced opener to bid again if playing 2/1. Im not a 2/1 player so wasnt about to tell them otherwise. Even the simple hands I find interesting and helpful, often more aspects of the hand are discussed. Perhaps debating if this is an opening hand or not would be more interesting for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 I'm normally a light opener but.... I'd pass this hand if playing SAYC or 2/1. Only time I'd consider opening would be in a strong club context or other light opening oriented system. Agree completely...5332, 11 scattered HCP, poor spots certainly should detract from the two A's one K, and one is not thrilled to rebid after some of PD's responses. In contrast, Art's hand with AKTxx in ♥ and a side A is a clear opener to me as it has more playing strength and I'm lots happier rebidding this 5 card suit than Kxxxx noting PD's often assume you have a 6 carder. With the given hand, having opened it, you should be happy to hear the opps double PD's 2♦ response since you can pass and show that you have a min and nothing reasonable to bid. If the 2/1 was 100% GF, and PD isn't taking you back to ♥ with 3 card support for game (lets hope it makes if you're both min), there's a good chance he's got 5♦ and 13 scattered HCP. The opps may not even have a fit in a black suit, and lets see them struggle in 2♠X on a 43 fit with 16 HCP. (OK more likely unless RHO is insane he is 5-5 blacks, but that doesn't mean they have a 5-3 fit nor that they can make it, esp. 3♣) If 2♦ is 100% GF and PD rebids 2NT the 3NT game will be played from his side and the lead will likely come thru your aces hopefully into a tenace of his. Even in 2/1 GF, the opp's takeout double after PD's 2/1 means that you no longer have to respond directly to the 2/1 since PD gets another chance to bid. With a boring flat sub-min and nothing to say, pass and that should discourage PD from any slam tries and may lead penalizing the opp's escape, rather than suffering trying to make 3NT with 24 HCP and no real fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 Clear pass, but completely agree with Kathryn that that is no reason not to post the hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikestar Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 I don't think passing originally is bad at all in 2/1 with a strong NT. If you are playing 2/1 with a weak NT, I really like 1NT with this hand, wrongsiding or no--partner bids 3NT on the balanced or semibalanced hands that bid 2♦ over 1♥. The uninformative auction may well let us make 3NT when we shouldn't, even from the wrong side. Passing in the auction given seems obvious: minimum/subminimum strength and no interesting distributional feature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted May 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2008 Dealer: East Vul: None Scoring: IMP ♠ A85 ♥ K6532 ♦ 64 ♣ AT3 Ok you may not want to open this playing 2/1 but I think it is a clear opening hand playing SAYC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted May 2, 2008 Report Share Posted May 2, 2008 Dealer: East Vul: None Scoring: IMP ♠ A85 ♥ K6532 ♦ 64 ♣ AT3 Ok you may not want to open this playing 2/1 but I think it is a clear opening hand playing SAYC The hand also has 26 ZAR, and is thus an opening bid by that standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted May 2, 2008 Report Share Posted May 2, 2008 Pass after 2D (x) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted May 2, 2008 Report Share Posted May 2, 2008 Dealer: East Vul: None Scoring: IMP ♠ A85 ♥ K6532 ♦ 64 ♣ AT3 Ok you may not want to open this playing 2/1 but I think it is a clear opening hand playing SAYC I would pass, but I usally pass all 5332 handswith 11HCP. It is a matter of personal style / preference.There is no big difference between 2/1 and SAYC if it comes to (not) opening certain hands, bothsystems are sound opening systems, and requirea certain basis strength for an opening. Oppossite a 2/1 and SAYC opening partner shouldforce to game with a 12 bal. count. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted May 2, 2008 Report Share Posted May 2, 2008 Dealer: East Vul: None Scoring: IMP ♠ A85 ♥ K6532 ♦ 64 ♣ AT3 Ok you may not want to open this playing 2/1 but I think it is a clear opening hand playing SAYC I think this has little to do with 2/1 vs SAYC, you can fit either style (of opening or passing this hand) into either system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted May 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2008 Dealer: East Vul: None Scoring: IMP ♠ A85 ♥ K6532 ♦ 64 ♣ AT3 Ok you may not want to open this playing 2/1 but I think it is a clear opening hand playing SAYC I think this has little to do with 2/1 vs SAYC, you can fit either style (of opening or passing this hand) into either system. I saw the 2/1 players were unhappy opening this hand and I understood (wrongly) that the standards for opening bids were a little more conservative in 2/1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted May 2, 2008 Report Share Posted May 2, 2008 <snip>I saw the 2/1 players were unhappy opening this hand and I understood (wrongly) that the standards for opening bids were a little more conservative in 2/1. I just wanted to add, that SAYC in this contextmeant for me, that a 2/1 response promisesanother bid. And the question would be, if you said, it is a clearopening bid in SAYC, do we talk about the same system. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted May 2, 2008 Report Share Posted May 2, 2008 The hand also has 26 ZAR, and is thus an opening bid by that standard. Here comes the Z-word again... The reason that in 2/1 GF you want to be a bit more careful opening 1M is that if you open light, partner will force to game on hands on which no game has any chance of making. At least playing SA you can stop somewhere lower sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted May 2, 2008 Report Share Posted May 2, 2008 Echo my German peer here - I probably don't open this unless using LIA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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