your bid.

[gwnn]

unfavorable IMPS

 

KJTxx

KTx

xx

Kxx

 

1♥-p-1♠-p

2♣-2♦-?

 

Your amazing table-feel suspects RHO doesn't have a penalty pass of 1♥.

[rogerclee]

3♥, ♠KJ is awful.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

show an inv. hand with hearts, however

you have agreed to do it.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[whereagles]

3♥. Due to RHO's late overcall, there's a high chance pard will have diamond wastage and likely spade shortage. Not the time for a shoot-out at 4. If the hand were instead

 

 

JTxxx

KTx

Kx

Kxx

 

then 4 would be a no-brainer :)

[jdonn]

I can't even think of a bid but 3♥, am I that uncreative?

[pclayton]

Am I taking a call with a doubleton heart here over 2♦? Is it our style to always raise hearts when we have 5-6 spades?

 

I'm starting to feel like 2♥ should be a weak limit raise here. Tempting, but those Kings are pretty nice. 3♥.

 

Plus, I don't fell like being confrontational today.

[dcvetkov]

3♥, but would not be surprised if it goes down 1

 

On a side note, what is double in this auction? What kind of hand would double suppose to show? Is it Penalty with 4 Diamonds?

[jdonn]

Am I taking a call with a doubleton heart here over 2♦? Is it our style to always raise hearts when we have 5-6 spades?

 

I'm starting to feel like 2♥ should be a weak limit raise here. Tempting, but those Kings are pretty nice. 3♥.

 

Plus, I don't fell like being confrontational today.

Actually, if you had to give it a special meaning (which I don't think is practical, but I'll pretend) then I think 2♥ would be best used to show two hearts and four clubs.

[neilkaz]

3♥ for me here, not close to good enough for 4, but having a bit too much for 2, and expecting my K of ♣ may be useful, if my ♠ are not that useful on this auction.

 

.. neilkaz ..

[whereagles]

Plus, I don't fell like being confrontational today.

what's the matter with you? a forum without flames is like Texas without cowboys: it's not fun :P

[goodwintr]

One vote here for two hearts.

 

This shows real support, not strained preference on a doubleton, and therefore more than an original raise to two hearts. (With just a raise to two hearts, you would/should raise to two hearts.) In fact, the two-diamond overcall has made your job easier: without it, you would have been more or less compelled to bid three hearts, to distinguish your hand from "mere preference."

 

The sequence (including the "free" raise to two hearts) is a lot like 1H-1S; 1NT-2H, which shows more than 1H-2H.

[TimG]

I can't even think of a bid but 3♥, am I that uncreative?

I was thinking the same about 2♥.

[keylime]

I bid 3 at IMPS, 2 at MPs.

[jdonn]

One vote here for two hearts.

 

This shows real support, not strained preference on a doubleton, and therefore more than an original raise to two hearts. (With just a raise to two hearts, you would/should raise to two hearts.) In fact, the two-diamond overcall has made your job easier: without it, you would have been more or less compelled to bid three hearts, to distinguish your hand from "mere preference."

 

The sequence (including the "free" raise to two hearts) is a lot like 1H-1S; 1NT-2H, which shows more than 1H-2H.

I disagree, I think it still shows a doubleton. This auction is different because your only alternative is to defend, whereas in your example auction you have an alternative contract to declare.

[helene_t]

I bid 3 at IMPS, 2 at MPs.

If this hand is borderline between 2 and 3, maybe you should have bid 2♥ in first round. Assuming we play constructive raises.

[goodwintr]

Jdonn: you mean playing in 1NT (as opposed to 2H) is a viable alternative after 1H-1S; 1NT, but defending 2D (in the original sequence) isn't a viable alternative when you have two-card "support" for hearts? I guess you have a point, if you just want to focus on what your side can make by playing the hand, without regard to whether you might do better to defend. In the original sequence, if you pass over 2D with a doubleton heart, partner is still there, isn't he?

[jdonn]

Jdonn: you mean playing in 1NT (as opposed to 2H) is a viable alternative after 1H-1S; 1NT, but defending 2D (in the original sequence) isn't a viable alternative when you have two-card "support" for hearts?

No, I am certainly not saying I would bid on every hand with a doubleton heart. If you want to defend I'm sure you know what to do, but it's possible to have a doubleton heart and not want to defend as well...

[Guest Jlall]

Really none of you would bid 1S then 2H with KQJ9x xxx xx xxx? How about KJT9 xxx xx xxxx? How about AJxxxx Jxx xx xx? I think these are all clear 1S bids and they are all clear 2H bids now.

 

This auction and the auction 1C p 1D p 1H p 2H are really my pet peeve auctions where people want to make them strong bids when they just aren't.

[655321]

The original hand looks like a 3♥ WTP to me.

 

I confess I might well respond 2♥ instread of 1♠ with jlall's example hands - certainly on (3), anyway.

 

I can see why it does make sense to respond 1♠ on these hands, but I pretty much always raise 1♥ to 2♥ in preference to bidding 1♠. If these hands are 1♠ bids, are less extreme hands (Axxxx Kxx xx xxx) also 1♠ bids, or is it just the disparity in the majors that makes 1♠ preferable?

[Guest Jlall]

The original hand looks like a 3♥ WTP to me.

 

I confess I might well respond 2♥ instread of 1♠ with jlall's example hands - certainly on (3), anyway.

 

I can see why it does make sense to respond 1♠ on these hands, but I pretty much always raise 1♥ to 2♥ in preference to bidding 1♠. If these hands are 1♠ bids, are less extreme hands (Axxxx Kxx xx xxx) also 1♠ bids, or is it just the disparity in the majors that makes 1♠ preferable?

Do you ever bid 1N with hands that have heart support because they are too weak to raise hearts directly? If so, what if they have 4 or 5 good spades and out? Would you bid 1S to slow down the auction while getting your best suit/lead in play?

 

I also think you should be responding 1S with weak hands that are 6-3 in the majors because it's just so much more likely to play better in spades, and if partner rebids NT you can play there.

 

Yes I think the huge disparity should matter because if partner raises spades that is just a much better spot, or makes a supp X, etc. And when you are weak I would not worry at all about missing game because i later just gave a simple preference, I'd be much more worried about missing spades when it's right.

 

I totally agree that most hands with 5-3 in the majors should raise, and a lot of 6-3 hands should as well (where you are worried about missing game because you didnt show your 3rd trump with the preference).

[gwnn]

OK I suck, I bid 4♥ and it didn't seem like a huge overbid then. I am not going to argue with the majority :)

 

Pard had xx Axxxx x AQTxx but we had to lose two spades, doubled, -1.