jdonn Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 r/r imps Axx - AK9xx AKJT8 3♥ p p ? Two questions. What would you do? And if you double, what is your plan over 3♠, 3NT, or 4♠ by partner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 I think an intiial x is clear, since we are getting rich if partner can sit. Over 3♠, I guess I am out of ways to show the minors, so I will unhappily bid 4♦.Over 3NT, I will just pass.Over 4♠, I think I will just bid 6♠. This might not make, but I am never really going to seven, and I don't see any way to stop short of slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 r/r imps Axx - AK9xx AKJT8 3♥ p p ? Two questions. What would you do? And if you double, what is your plan over 3♠, 3NT, or 4♠ by partner? Double then 4♥ over 3♠ or 3NT. Over 4♠ I'll bid 5NT pick a slam, then I think I will raise to grand. Not an easy problem, maybe someone else has a better idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Over 4♠ I'll bid 5NT pick a slam, It's not grand slam force? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Not obvious at all, I guess you have to start with a double but you have no idea what to do over any bid from partner. Looking at them: Over 3S your options are: Pass- way too conservative with a hand that has this much potential. 4 of a minor- Shows a strong hand with that minor and likely spade tolerance, thats not a bad description but it overstates the minor you're bidding. And which minor are you supposed to bid? I guess 4C allows partner to bid diamonds if he happens to have 4 of them and allows partner to rebid spades with 5, and if partner passes you you'd rather be in clubs. You understate your playing strength a little with this auction as well 4H- slam try for spades, this seems like an overstatement on spades and values. 4S- seems right if you're going to raise spades (as opposed to 4H) but overstates your spades slightly. Still it might be a good hand for a 4-3 and it doesn't risk playing a ridiculous 4 of a minor. Overall I guess I would bid a slightly weird 4C. If partner bids 3N of course you could pass but that seems like a position. I don't know what 4H is supposed to mean, I guess minors makes sense but maybe partner would take it as a strong 40(45) trying to get to the right spot. 4H seems fine and if partner bids 4S I'll pull it to 5C so he should get the message. Slam and 5 of a minor seem more likely than 3N to me. Over 4S I have a great hand but it's unclear which suit to play so I agree with 5N pick a slam and give up on 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Over 4♠ I'll bid 5NT pick a slam, then I think I will raise to grand. I agree with 5NT if it's pick a slam, but I am not sure at all that this is standard here. Like TimG, I think GSF may be more commonly interpreted, since spades is the only strain we have clearly offered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Over 4♠ I'll bid 5NT pick a slam, then I think I will raise to grand. I agree with 5NT if it's pick a slam, but I am not sure at all that this is standard here. Like TimG, I think GSF may be more commonly interpreted, since spades is the only strain we have clearly offered. I would assume all of my expert pards would know by now that GSF has almost no utility at all, and that you can almost always bid 4N keycard or just start with 5H clearly agreeing spades and hope to bid 5N later, and if you cannot (ie partner jumped again to slam) that partner must have the 2 top honors you're missing since you apparantly have everything else. On the other hand it is very common that we Xed with a great hand and only 3 (or even 2) spades and once partner jumped we know we have enough for slam and want to find the right fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted April 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 I think the rule on GSF that I'm sure my partners and I agree on, even undiscussed, is that it only applies if it's the only possible meaning, like 1♠ p 5NT. If pick a slam is at all possible then it clearly applies. So I'm sure on the auction being discussed that's what it would be. I note even if partner takes 5NT there as GSF on this hand, that might turn out ok! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 I hate this hand. But, I think I'm going to make the one call partner can understand completely. 5NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Not obvious at all, I guess you have to start with a double [..]Over 3S your options are:[..]4H- slam try for spades I think 4H, and all similar cue bids, should offer a choice of games. It's fairly rare to have enough to bid game on this sort of auction, let alone make a slam try. In this case, the cue bid would suggest only three spades, together with one or two alternative strains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 I think I'll balance with 4NT. Just out of feeling, nothing else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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