keylime Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 You are playing at the local game for charity pairs with a competent partner. The opps are of decent quality, and are known for aggressive bidding. You are the proud and happy owner of this hand: [hv=d=e&v=n&s=shak8dakj7cakqt8x]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] Of course RHO preempts, but with 3♥ instead of the likely 3♠! What would you do, with follow-ups? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 I can't think of anything brilliant, so I would overcall 7♣. If you told me I'm nuts and that if I'm taking this approach I should overcall 6♣, you may be right :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 lol @ some of the choices, I would just bid 6♣ and make them guess what to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 lol at the poll options. 4C is not forcing you know.. I would just bid 6C, seems like a practical shot. Toyed with 4N planning to convert diamonds to clubs but I think that gets us to diamonds when clubs is better too often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 I can't think of anything brilliant, so I would overcall 7♣. If you told me I'm nuts and that if I'm taking this approach I should overcall 6♣, you may be right :) I'd wait to have at least AKQJ10x clubs for this call if youre also going to have potential losers in the other suits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 I can't think of anything brilliant, so I would overcall 7♣. If you told me I'm nuts and that if I'm taking this approach I should overcall 6♣, you may be right :) Yes, I think you're definitely nuts. You need too much to get covered. Gambling on 6C seems intelligent though it could easily go down, but gambling on partner being able to cover your heart, diamond, and club in order to increase your slam bonus to a grand slam bonus is really nuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted April 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 For the record, the poll options are not my own - if they were, at least three other choices appear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 6♣ is my choice. 7♣ seems like you are asking for a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 6♣ is my choice. 7♣ seems like you are asking for a lot. We agree,,,7♣ requires more luck than I want to bet on . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 Can anyone do a simulation? I bet 7C isn't as bad as I initially thought and we are just trained to be really risk averse with grands to an irrational point when we learn bridge. Would be interested how often 7C makes and how often 6C makes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 lol @ some of the choices, I would just bid 6♣ and make them guess what to do :) Ditto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 I think 7C is considerably less than 50% Justin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 X. You may well belong in Ds of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 6♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Can anyone do a simulation? I bet 7C isn't as bad as I initially thought and we are just trained to be really risk averse with grands to an irrational point when we learn bridge. Would be interested how often 7C makes and how often 6C makes. I would but my Dealmaster Pro is far beyond my computer ability to figure out how to use. I need to find someone local to teach me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 6♣. I don't have anyway to show longer clubs than diamonds, so JBWYTUCM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Inconsistent abbreviation Nuno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Inconsistent abbreviation Nuno. Just Bid What You Think Ulysses-S-Grant Can Make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 6♣. Dwayne these poll choices blow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Can anyone do a simulation? I bet 7C isn't as bad as I initially thought and we are just trained to be really risk averse with grands to an irrational point when we learn bridge. Would be interested how often 7C makes and how often 6C makes. I dealt 50 hands and looked at them to see where I wanted to play single dummy (so not a double dummy result, just a what looks to be the right spot). This is assuming my options are 6C or 7C, so doesn't count hands where diamonds might play better. That result was 23 hands want to play 6C3 hands any club slam is virtually playless24 hands want to play 7C, but on 3 of them partner might raise 6C to 7C (but might not... I decided AK of spades a heart void and 4 trumps was definitely sufficient to raise but the others were more guessy depending on how aggressive your 6C bid was) I think that means 7C isn't as bad as I initially thought either, but it's still right to bid 6C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 I dealt 50 hands and looked at them to see where I wanted to play single dummy (so not a double dummy result, just a what looks to be the right spot). This is assuming my options are 6C or 7C, so doesn't count hands where diamonds might play better. That result was 23 hands want to play 6C3 hands any club slam is virtually playless24 hands want to play 7C, but on 3 of them partner might raise 6C to 7C (but might not... I decided AK of spades a heart void and 4 trumps was definitely sufficient to raise but the others were more guessy depending on how aggressive your 6C bid was) I think that means 7C isn't as bad as I initially thought either, but it's still right to bid 6C. Nice! lol Ok I knew I was going out on a limb, not surprised to see it's about 50-50. I bet any improvement (like clubs AKQJTx) would really sway things toward overcalling 7♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted April 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Phil, Agreed - these choices offered by my club pard sucked major you know what. Here's the 2nd part of it. Let's say you choose double, and pard of course drop kicks 4S at you. Now what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 well i have a question (and be gentle, it's been awhile)... what would 4♥ : 4♠ : 6♣ (assuming opps stay quiet) mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 well i have a question (and be gentle, it's been awhile)... what would 4♥ : 4♠ : 6♣ (assuming opps stay quiet) mean? It means that you shouldn't be surprised when partner "corrects" to 6 and maybe 7 spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted May 27, 2008 Report Share Posted May 27, 2008 Here's the 2nd part of it. Let's say you choose double, and pard of course drop kicks 4S at you. Now what? Well, I'm pulling out the 7♣ card now on the grounds that I have to ask myself what is pard having a punt at 4♠ with?! There aren't many high cards you can't see already. FWIW, my partner held this quite similar hand only a few nights ago:♠-♥AKx♦AQx♣AKT9xxx opposite♠A9x♥xxx♦K9xxxxx♣J This was after 2S (weak) from (his) LHO, I decided not to pre-empt a pre-empt, 3Sfrom RHO. 4C wasn't the winning bid! I tanked for a while and figured my partner ought to have half the high cards in the deck and wondered why he hadn't doubled. Eventually I decided to trust partner's bidding and not the opps, so passed him out. Wrong! Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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