How do you bid this hand?

[babalu1997]

Assumptions: Forcing no Trump. Bergen and Jacoby 2nt are on the card.

 

First One:

Partner opens 1 spade.

What do you bid?

 

[hv=d=n&s=skxxxxxhxxdaqxcxx]133|100|1S-pass- you respond[/hv]

 

 

Second One

 

Partner opens 1 spade.

What do you bid?

 

[hv=d=n&s=skxxxxxhxxdaqxcxx]133|100|1S-pass- you respond[/hv]

 

Thanks All

[skjaeran]

1. 2NT, Jacoby (or similar)

 

2. With my regular I'd make a strong 3c-raise (2♠), but it's borderline. With a sounder opening style I'd GF, starting with 2♣.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

#1 being lazy, I bid 4S.

 

The only alternative would be 2NT.

 

But this may mislead partner, and 4S does show

5 card support and around 7 loosers, i.e. you are

not that far away from the actual hand.

 

#2 I guess you have agreed to play 2NT as promising

only 3 cards?

If you agreed, that it shows 4 card support you cant bid it.

The usual solution is to go via forcing NT, i.e.

the forcing NT may also contain bal. hand with 13-15

HCP and 3 card support (or define a direct 3NT response

to a mayor suit opening as showing this kind of hand).

If you can, well go ahead, bid 2NT.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[Guest Jlall]

1) 2N

2) 2C

[helene_t]

1. 2NT, I think this hand is equivalent of a 12HCP balanced raise.

2. 2♣ this is standard in every system unless you have agreed to bid 1N (or a natural 2N or 3N) with this hand. Never raise spades or bid 2♥, no matter what system you play.

[kenrexford]

On the second, 2♣. An old debate. Many will get angry that 2♣ has so many votes so far.

 

On the first, 2NT works as well as anything. I like a new tool I learned -- 3NT as a semi-unbalanced constructive raise, but forcing to game because of 5+ trumps.

[han]

Add a 2NT and 2C for me.

[Vilgan]

On the first hand, I would probably just bid 4 spades. Its maybe a bit strong, but other than 6 spades.. this hand isn't really that amazing. Its has lots of spades but doesn't really provide that many extra tricks. If I Jacoby, partner could easily get overexcited and we will end up in 5 down 1.

 

Second hand, I'd bid a forcing NT followed by 4 spades if partner doesn't show hearts as long as this didn't show a hand type similar to question 1 (varies a bit by agreement I think). If I can't try for the 4/4, I'll just bid 2♣ and then support spades, although 3 NT might be the best spot.. I am not positive we will be able to play there.

[pclayton]

1. 2N. This evaluates to a GF for me. Wouldn't be surprised if LHO sticks his nose in so lets support now.

 

2. 2♣. Yeah I've come around :)

[655321]

Put me down with the majority - 2NT and 2♣.

[hrothgar]

1. 2NT

 

2. 3NT (not intended as any kind of conventional raise. Just a hand that wants to declare 3NT)

[jdonn]

2NT and 2♣

[CSGibson]

I think problem 1 I would make a Bergen limit raise, then take partner's 3 spade bid to 4. My distribution and HCP do not warrant more than that, and I think partner will know what I'm doing when I describe my hand this way. I also want partner to know that I do have some values in case she wants to make a slam try. There's no information that you can receive with a Jacoby 2NT that will improve your hand greatly. You won't miss game with my method, and you don't mislead partner as to your playing strength in terms of high cards & distribution.

 

Problem 2 I agree with 2♣

[kenrexford]

Where are all of the folks who hate 2♣ on the second hand? Surely we have not beat you all into submission. Come out, little chipmunks. :)

[effervesce]

1) 2NT

2) 2♣

[jtfanclub]

Where are all of the folks who hate 2♣ on the second hand? Surely we have not beat you all into submission. Come out, little chipmunks. :)

I do!

 

I'm the only vote for 1NT followed by 3NT if partner bids 2 of a minor.

 

I'm a four triple-three 13 count. I'll take a chance that if partner can't force game across a 6 count, we won't have slam. I should find the right game at least as often after a 1NT bid as after a 2♣ bid, and I'm not convinced that missing a making slam should be my primary concern here.

[Free]

4♠, imo we lack the power for J2NT...

 

2♣ wtp?

[P_Marlowe]

Where are all of the folks who hate 2♣ on the second hand?  Surely we have not beat you all into submission.  Come out, little chipmunks.   :)

Mark this thread, they will come back.

 

I can speak only for myself, but at least I

dont like 2C, but "hate" would put this too

strong.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

 

PS: This thread shows also, what you buy,

if you require that 2NT is based on 4 card

support.

There are several conventional solutions,

which would deal with the given hand, but

you have to be aware, that you force yourself

to play one of those, if you require 4 card

support for a 2NT response.

Playing SAYC, I am pretty 2C in this sequence

promises ta least 4 cards, hence most likely

2NT could be based on just 3 card support.

[fromageGB]

(1) What on earth is going on here? So many people bidding 2NT when it looks an obvious 3D. Naturally I will go on to game if partner stops, and if he looks further I will cooperate. 2NT is misleading, over the top and won't help anyway.

 

(2) And this one too - why 2C and again mislead partner? 1NT gets my vote, and leave options open depending on partner's rebid. 2C may act as a lead deterrent if you declare 3NT, but if partner was a black 2 suiter and took 3NT out to 4C, I would not feel comfortable being dummy in 4S.

[the hog]

4S on the first board and 1 forcing NT on the second.

[helene_t]

Playing SAYC, I am pretty 2C in this sequence

promises ta least 4 cards, hence most likely

2NT could be based on just 3 card support.

2N promises 4-card support. So you tell the smallest lie, i.e. you lie about the length of a minor rather than a major.

[han]

I don't play that 2C shows 4 so it is not a lie. I've never played this with anybody.

[jtfanclub]

I don't play that 2C shows 4 so it is not a lie. I've never played this with anybody.

It's not a lie, it's just...pointless. There are certainly hands with only 3 clubs that I'd bid 2♣ with. This isn't one of them.

 

Seriously, if you bid 1NT forcing here instead, what is it that you think you're losing?

[jdonn]

I don't play that 2C shows 4 so it is not a lie. I've never played this with anybody.

It's not a lie, it's just...pointless. There are certainly hands with only 3 clubs that I'd bid 2♣ with. This isn't one of them.

 

Seriously, if you bid 1NT forcing here instead, what is it that you think you're losing?

The ability to investigate rather than guess at the contract at your second turn.

[P_Marlowe]

I don't play that 2C shows 4 so it is not a lie. I've never played this with anybody.

It's not a lie, it's just...pointless. There are certainly hands with only 3 clubs that I'd bid 2♣ with. This isn't one of them.

 

Seriously, if you bid 1NT forcing here instead, what is it that you think you're losing?

The ability to investigate rather than guess at the contract at your second turn.

Well I would say, that the main difference

between 1NT and 2C is, that 2C shows and

1NT asks.

 

Just because you bid 1NT does not mean you

have to guess next round, sometimes partners

next bid will remove the guess.

 

Equally just because you bid 2C, which partner

may or may not take as a 4 carder, does not

mean you dont have a guess next round.

... I seem to recall that in certain auctions a 2C

game forcing response gots raised on 3 cards,

happy guessing in this sequence, or did we just

transfer the guess to partner?

 

With kind regards

Marlowe