Intermediate pre-emp after 3/4seat

[firmit]

Partner is dealer and passes. RHO opens 1minor. What is maximum for 2M now?

 

All red /MP

:CHO - RHO - YOU - LHO
pass - 1[cl] - 2[sp]!- ?

 

I choose a somewhat intermediate-strong route, bidding 2♠ with KQ10xxx AKx xx xx. I did not expect us having game in this position, but of course, 4♠ makes opposite Axxx xx Qxx Kxxx with ♣A infront. The questions that came up:

 

1) how should 2♠ vs 3♠ be defined

2) what should the direct action in the next seat be (LHO-seat after the pre-empt)? Is 2nt good-bad here? Or direct bid to play?

 

I know Grøtheim-Tundal used to play intermediate-pre-emptive bids in this position in their Viking Club, defined as something like 11-15hp 6c suit.

[kenrexford]

That's a Bomb Threat Weak Jump.

 

Years ago, in a Mixed Pairs event, I was set up with a partner I had not met. When I made a similar "heavy" weak two, it caused some sort of good result. The opponents called for the TD, who made no adjustment. However, my partner wastold that she would have to alert my weak jump overcalls henceforth. Interpreting the situation as somehow being accused of cheating (not sure how), my partner grew more and more hostile and upset and uncontrollable. When she made a bomb threat against the other pair, several rounds later, I asked the TD (privately) to kick us out of the event. Hence, the "Bomb Threat WJO" was born.

 

I've made calls before that caused a bit of a stir, but this was the first time (not the last?) that my call was the proximate cause of a bomb threat being made.

[skjaeran]

I guess you meant 2♥ here or switched the major suits, since I don't believe you made a WJO on AKx.......

 

I'm used to a style where we play very wide ranging WJOs after partner passed; that is, we might include hands normally too strong for a WJO. I've never mentioned that on our system cards, but we always explain when asked that the bid is ostensibly weak, but might be quite a bit stronger vs a passed partner.

 

On the actual hand it's a toss-up between a 1-level and a 2-level overcall for me. I'd not venture the 3-level with this hand.

[pclayton]

That's a Bomb Threat Weak Jump.

 

Years ago, in a Mixed Pairs event, I was set up with a partner I had not met. When I made a similar "heavy" weak two, it caused some sort of good result. The opponents called for the TD, who made no adjustment. However, my partner wastold that she would have to alert my weak jump overcalls henceforth. Interpreting the situation as somehow being accused of cheating (not sure how), my partner grew more and more hostile and upset and uncontrollable. When she made a bomb threat against the other pair, several rounds later, I asked the TD (privately) to kick us out of the event. Hence, the "Bomb Threat WJO" was born.

 

I've made calls before that caused a bit of a stir, but this was the first time (not the last?) that my call was the proximate cause of a bomb threat being made.

Ohio LOL.

 

I knew a guy in Montana that pulled a knife on his pard during a club game. Seriously.

[firmit]

I guess you meant 2♥ here or switched the major suits, since I don't believe you made a WJO on AKx.......

Corrected

[kenrexford]

That's a Bomb Threat Weak Jump.

 

Years ago, in a Mixed Pairs event, I was set up with a partner I had not met.  When I made a similar "heavy" weak two, it caused some sort of good result.  The opponents called for the TD, who made no adjustment.  However, my partner wastold that she would have to alert my weak jump overcalls henceforth.  Interpreting the situation as somehow being accused of cheating (not sure how), my partner grew more and more hostile and upset and uncontrollable.  When she made a bomb threat against the other pair, several rounds later, I asked the TD (privately) to kick us out of the event.  Hence, the "Bomb Threat WJO" was born.

 

I've made calls before that caused a bit of a stir, but this was the first time (not the last?) that my call was the proximate cause of a bomb threat being made.

Ohio LOL.

 

I knew a guy in Montana that pulled a knife on his pard during a club game. Seriously.

Actually, this happened in Pennsylvania. My partner was bitter.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

I think your hand is too strong for a preempt, so at IMPs I would

not make the 2S bid, but at MP the bid is fine, although I most

likely still would only bid 1S anyway, I usually bid the same playing

IMP and MP.

 

From a LTC perspective, you have 6 looser, partner being a passed

hand, could still have 8 looser.

So for a weak jump overcall oppositte a passed hand, I would say,

that a hand with 7 looser could still make a weak jump.

 

The above is just a suggestion, how to develop a guideline, with

which hands you just overcall or make a weak jump.

Of course it also matters, in which field you are plaiyng, who are your

current oppoenents, how good are your methods afrer an (weak jump)

overcall and so on.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[jtfanclub]

Hmmm...I asked about this once before, and it was generally agreed that it doesn't have to be alerted. Me, I want my partners to be required to alert all of my pre-empts as "might be pre-emptive...or might not.". Sounds like great fun for the opponents- what exactly are they going to do with the information?

 

The big one for me is minors, since it's a pain in the keister to make 11 tricks across a passed hand.

 

The one time I got called for this, I pointed out that they'd opened 1♣ and I'd overcalled 3♦. Sure, our jump overcalls were weak, but we didn't have an agreement about our double jumps.

[P_Marlowe]

Hmmm...I asked about this once before, and it was generally agreed that it doesn't have to be alerted.  Me, I want my partners to be required to alert all of my pre-empts as "might be pre-emptive...or might not.".  Sounds like great fun for the opponents- what exactly are they going to do with the information?

<snip>

We alert it: The nature of the bid is preemptive, but

facing a passed partner, the bid will have a high

variance (+/-), i.e. sometimes the bid may be based

on an opening hand.

 

The main information is, that you will take it as

preemptive.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[whereagles]

If it's a wide-ranging jump overcall, when asked just say something like "Natural, random jump overcall. Usually 0-15 hcp."