jillybean Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Dealer: South Vul: EW Scoring: IMP ♠ J8 ♥ T3 ♦ K4 ♣ AQJT974 West North East South - - - ? you are in first seat 1 or 3 and why please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 3♣ for me. Partner will expect more for a 1♣ then 2♣ rebid. Also shuts out the opponents. May go -1, but hey that's life. [EDIT] sorry didnt see it was in first seat fav vul. 1♣ then 2♣ as p will not expect so much from a fav vul 3♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 1♣ for me. I have too many values for 3♣ first seat. 3rd seat I would probably preempt, since I know I'm not screwing with partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 The hand looks much more like a pree than a 1♣, so I'll definitely PREE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Normal 1C, I expect unanimous answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuroth Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 1♣ for me. I'm fairly confident of my answer, though I suspect you're really trying to solicit the opinions of those who know what they're doing. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianshark Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 This is an opening hand. 1♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 1C. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 1♣. Very close to WTP? status for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Normal 1C, I expect unanimous answers. This is a normal 1C opening. If you expect unanimous answers you are sadly naive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted April 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 To all the 1♣ wtp responders please explain why this is 1♣ not 3♣ ty :) What would make it a 3♣ opener? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 To all the 1♣ wtp responders please explain why this is 1♣ not 3♣ ty :) Hi, one reason is the vulnerability. Assuming I got it right, we are green vs. red. Depending on your preemptive style, the hand issimply too strong for a green vs. red prempt.A classical green preemt, would promise a handwhich goes at most 3 down.And some would promise a hand, which goes atmost 4 down, if you are green vs. red. The hand will make at least 6 tricks in clubs, so youare -3, and this is conservative counting, bettercounting would be -2.5If your preempt style would promise -4, you are 1or 1.5 tricks too heavy. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 It's 1C because it is an opening hand, 3C shows a hand too weak to open at the 1-level. Take away the king and I would open 3C. The vulnerability has nothing to do with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 To all the 1♣ wtp responders please explain why this is 1♣ not 3♣ ty :) What would make it a 3♣ opener? To explain why this is an opening hand: if partner has Qxxx QJx Axxx Kx, you're cold for 3NT. He won't bid it opposite your preempt because most of the time youll have a hand like x Kx xxx QJ10xxxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 <snip> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simplicity Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 easy 1♣, opening this preemptively is a good way to miss a game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 To all the 1♣ wtp responders please explain why this is 1♣ not 3♣ ty :) What would make it a 3♣ opener? To explain why this is an opening hand: if partner has Qxxx QJx Axxx Kx, you're cold for 3NT. He won't bid it opposite your preempt because most of the time youll have a hand like x Kx xxx QJ10xxxx Yep..PD won't expect such playing strength for a green vs red preempt and I do believe the given hand has enough playing strength to open 1♣ rebid 2♣ and then if the auction demands, rebid 3♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 <response to deleted post> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 I'm going to defend 3♣ on grounds that the benefits of preempting opps compensate for the occasional loss of a game. I can't present any data on this. It's merely a feeling... like most things about bridge in fact, lol. Anyway, in 2nd seat it's better to open 1♣ because the chance that pard has some points is higher. You don't want to preempt partner (unless you've agreed 2nd seat preempts look like this). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Not only too good for 3♣, but too much defense. This is a wtp 1♣ to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Normal 1C, I expect unanimous answers. This is a normal 1C opening. If you expect unanimous answers you are sadly naive. Or sarcastic. Anyways, I vote unanimously for 1♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 To all the 1♣ wtp responders please explain why this is 1♣ not 3♣ ty :) What would make it a 3♣ opener? It's too good for a pre-empt because you have one trick too many. This is a 6-loser hand (for simplicity: 7 tricks), and since you should overbid by three tricks at these colours when you pre-empt, the hand is too good for 3♣. Even if 4♣ is natural and would show the number of tricks (7) you think you can take in a club contract, I would not bid it. It's normally not a good idea to bypass 3NT if that seems like a playable contract. This could well be the case here. This is perfectly normal 1♣ opening to me. Take away ♦K and it's a fine 3♣. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted April 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 OK, and now this 1st seat JTx, void, Q, AKJT9xxxx I opened 5♣, my pard said I should open 1♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 OK, and now this 1st seat JTx, void, Q, AKJT9xxxx I opened 5♣, my pard said I should open 1♣ 5C is fine. You want to play clubs, and thats it. The only question you have to answer, if you bid 3NT (assuming you agreed to play Gambling 3NT) or 5C. The advantage of 3NT is, that you may have a morecontrolled auction to game or slam, depending on your agreements after a 3NT opening, and maybe you go plus ,because you were able to stop in 4C, but I would bid 5Cand be done with the hand. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 The world is too cruel for realism, I prefer naivety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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