ajm218 Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 [hv=s=sqxhajxxxdt9xxcjx]133|100|[/hv] 1♦ P P ? At all colours and at all forms or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 I would. 1♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 Pass, I don't think it's close. Partner has almost certainly less than 15 points - it is unlikely that he has too many diamonds to act with a strong hand. He may have 11-14 but in that case the reason he couldn't make a t/o double probably is that he doesn't have support for both majors. If it's hearts he's missing, we don't have a fit so we might as well defend 1♦. If it's spades, opps have a 9-card spades fit so if we bid we just help opps find a better part score. As a general rule, with marginal hands, don't protect with length in opps' suit and don't protect with shortness in an unbid major, especially spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 Sure? It gets more interesting, if you remove theQueen of spades, in which case I most likelywould pass.But as it is, this is a hand with submin valuesfor a 1H overcall, so I wont hesitate to balance. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 Pass WTP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 Nothing could make me balance with this hand if the opponents are vulnerable. We shouldn't have game, so either partner has a bad hand with short diamonds or he has long diamonds. If he has short diamonds, all we're going to do is push them up a little, but not enough to set them. If he has long diamonds, they may very well find their spade fit if we let them. If the opponents are not vulnerable, it's close. Depends on the opps. I do think that if I balance they'll end up playing in 2 spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 pass wtp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjames Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 I would use the green card Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 Pass! At ALL forms and colors. Several things are possible: 1. They are playing a Burns fit. 2. They are in a low scoring contract. It's very possible they have a 4-4 or 5-4 spade fit. 3. Even if we have a heart fit, see #2. 4. Pard couldn't act over 1♦, so pard is either flat (or has length in ♦'s), weak, or both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 indeed. a pass wtp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 A minimum hand with shortness in spades is a huge danger sign against balancing when the opponents are in a minor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 I'm happy with pass :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 This question has a buried controversy that I just noticed. With Qx in spades and a minimum, the odds of a balancing 1♥ call yielding fruit are decreased by the tendency for lighter overcalls. If your partner would overcall 1♠ liberally, balancing 1♥ is less likely to be productive. If your partner, however, is very sound with 1♠ overcalls, the chances of 1♥ being successful increase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 Suppose, for a fairly typical example, that partner has a ten count, three hearts, and three spades. Do I want to sell to 2S? Do I want to play 3H? Let sleeping dogs lie. Reverse the spades and the hearts and it would be a lot more tempting, but I would probably still pass, at least if vul. I guess what I get for this is that when I do balance then partner, with a fit, is free to continue to contest the auction without worrying we will be doubled and set 200+ on a part score hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Several things are possible: 1. They are playing a Burns fit. What is a Burns fit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Burn's Fit is where the declaring side has a trump fit that has less trumps than the opponents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Burn's Fit is where the declaring side has a trump fit that has less trumps than the opponents. Thanks. :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Burn's Fit is where the declaring side has a trump fit that has less trumps than the opponents. Thanks. :o http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/burn_law.htm Wih kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 So THAT'S what they mean when they say bid like the experts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Everyone knows what a Moysian fit is - a 4-3 fit. I had never heard of a Burns fit, but I may have coined the phrase "Sub-Moysian" fit - typically a 3-3 fit. Sometimes the 3-3 fit plays quite well. But I wouldn't want to make a habit of it. A regular partner of mine, after one of our not too infrequent forays in a 3-2 fit with a combined high card total of about 12, said the reason he went down was that there were too many trumps and points offside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 I had never heard of a Burns fit, but I may have coined the phrase "Sub-Moysian" fit - typically a 3-3 fit. A 'sub-Moysian' is known to me as a 4-2 fit, which is more often playable than a 3-3! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 A minimum hand with shortness in spades is a huge danger sign against balancing when the opponents are in a minor. A lof of the time in this situation, if you bid the next thing you know you'll be defending 4♠ making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 I had never heard of a Burns fit, but I may have coined the phrase "Sub-Moysian" fit - typically a 3-3 fit. A 'sub-Moysian' is known to me as a 4-2 fit, which is more often playable than a 3-3! Also known to me as a 4-2, I thought this was an old term Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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