Sick Preempt

[bill1157]

While we are on the subject of extreme weak-2's, how do people feel about opening a weak 2 with a 5 card suit? What criteria would you have for this action?

 

Bill

[matmat]

maybe he agreed with your not agreeing with you (option 3)

stupid mathematicians and their logical clauses..

[P_Marlowe]

While we are on the subject of extreme weak-2's, how do people feel about opening a weak 2 with a 5 card suit? What criteria would you have for this action?

 

Bill

I think they make sense.

 

But keep in mind, if the length gets shorther,

the suit quality should go up.

 

I would also say, that you should have shape

to compensate, i.e. a 54?? or better shape is

fine, while a weak two on 5332 shape should

be rare, ... well at least in certain positions

and vulnerability situations.

 

And of course partners raises should be LOTT

based, this way you will at least play a 8 card

suit fit, if he raises you.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[manudude03]

While we are on the subject of extreme weak-2's, how do people feel about opening a weak 2 with a 5 card suit? What criteria would you have for this action?

 

Bill

Personally, only when NV, must be headed by AQ for me, or a rag when in third seat opposite a passed hand.

 

BTW, i would pre-empt on the original hand vs. a weak field, otherwise pass.

[han]

I'm with matmat that opening 2H here is winning bridge.  We got the shape, we got the strength, the colors are right, we preempt.

uhm. pretty sure i felt that preempting was not so good...

Mat?????

 

I'm so disappointed! Did you see it was white against red? Did you see that you are 6-4? Were you trying to make a point but went a little overboard?

[han]

While we are on the subject of extreme weak-2's, how do people feel about opening a weak 2 with a 5 card suit? What criteria would you have for this action?

 

Bill

With cherdano I do it only when we are NV, the suit has good intermediates and the hand has shortness (so not 5332 or 5422).

[pclayton]

While we are on the subject of extreme weak-2's, how do people feel about opening a weak 2 with a 5 card suit?  What criteria would you have for this action?

 

Bill

With cherdano I do it only when we are NV, the suit has good intermediates and the hand has shortness (so not 5332 or 5422).

Same here. 5332's are bad for preempting.

 

I'll do it r/r if the suit is good enough.

[han]

Well, I don't know if I could pass with KQJ109 even when red, but I really try to have 6.

[matmat]

Mat?????

 

I'm so disappointed! Did you see it was white against red? Did you see that you are 6-4? Were you trying to make a point but went a little overboard?

sort of.

Roger told me he was trying to preempt more solidly these days <_<

[cherdano]

We all "try" to have a good suit when preempting.

[Cascade]

The suit is much to good (a great sequence) and the overall strength (TWO Queens AND a Ten) too big to consider this a preempt in first seat.

 

I cannot decide yet between 1 ♥ 2 ♣ and 6 NT.

 

Sorry but in first seat, even white/red this is no preempt for me.

Agree

 

Wish we were playing strong twos for when this hand comes along.

[neilkaz]

While we are on the subject of extreme weak-2's, how do people feel about opening a weak 2 with a 5 card suit? What criteria would you have for this action?

 

Bill

I prefer a weak 2 on a suit like AQJTx to one like 9xxxxx as here to be honest.

[jdonn]

Well, I don't know if I could pass with KQJ109 even when red, but I really try to have 6.

Is that another way of saying you pray to the skies not to hold 5, since when that's what you hold you bid it anyway?

 

I try really hard to hold 30 counts, but the efforts are so far inconclusive at best.

[whereagles]

I think it's wrong to think you'll get a bad score anytime you DON'T preempt.

 

In this hand, it's more likely you get that bad score if you DO preempt 8)

[Finch]

While we are on the subject of extreme weak-2's, how do people feel about opening a weak 2 with a 5 card suit? What criteria would you have for this action?

 

Bill

extreme? What's extreme about a 5-card suit?

 

favourable vulnerability, third seat

 

P P ?

 

xx

AQJx

xx

xxxxx

[whereagles]

I've done it on

 

KQJT

xx

xxxx

xxx

 

pass pass 2♠ :)

[han]

Well, I don't know if I could pass with KQJ109 even when red, but I really try to have 6.

Is that another way of saying you pray to the skies not to hold 5, since when that's what you hold you bid it anyway?

No, it's not. I think that if you try a little harder even you might still get what I meant.

[pclayton]

While we are on the subject of extreme weak-2's, how do people feel about opening a weak 2 with a 5 card suit?  What criteria would you have for this action?

 

Bill

extreme? What's extreme about a 5-card suit?

 

favourable vulnerability, third seat

 

P P ?

 

xx

AQJx

xx

xxxxx

We've all done it, but I'm content opening 1 on these hands.

[Flame]

lets say opening this give you 55% result on the board i would still not open it.

That because i would open 2H on much different hands and i will lose more when partner wont know when i have garbage and when i have a nice 2H.

[Apollo81]

favourable vulnerability, third seat

 

P P ?

 

xx

AQJx

xx

xxxxx

I've done it on worse 4-card heart suits than that one =)

[Apollo81]

Here is a debate between matmat and me over what constitutes a normal preempt.

 

White vs Red, IMPs, First Seat

 

♠Qx ♥987xxx ♦QTxx ♣x

 

What is your call?

I don't think it's a normal preempt, but I would open 2♥ regardless of scoring. In my mind the biggest danger is that we get the wrong lead, not that we go for a number. The playing strength of this hand is fine. Thus I am happier with this decision at IMPs, where a bad lead only costs if the contract wouldnt have made on a better lead.

 

A hand like xx KJxxx xx xxxx is a hand where I would preempt at MPs 3rd fav (for the lead) but not at IMPs bc of the high number risk.

[PassedOut]

I've done it on

 

KQJT

xx

xxxx

xxx

 

pass pass 2♠ :P

I used to do this too (weak jump overcalls similarly) until all my partners fell in love with the law of total tricks.

 

One trouble with preempting with long weak suits is that those bids often steer the opponents into a 3NT that makes -- when a normal suit contract fails because of bad breaks. OTOH, preempting with a strong 4-card suit can talk the opponents out of bidding a making 3NT.

[Flameous]

This one depends, if I'm playing magic D with weak twos or some other system with aggressive openings, it's 2♥ or occasionally even 3. With stronger openings, I also tend to have atleast something in pre-empts so there is some use for Ogust or alike conventions. Third seat this is obvious 3♥ though.

[skjaeran]

With my regular I play constructive weak 2s in the majors, so this isn't close to 2M for me.

 

But NV we play garbage Multi, so it would be a clear 2♦ opening for me at these colours.

[bill1157]

I've done it on

 

KQJT

xx

xxxx

xxx

 

pass pass 2♠ :)

It looks to me like opening 2S on this hand would be an antipercentage action. Would you do it on the last hand of a big event that you were leading?

Anyway, I would be interested to hear how this type of opening actually worked out.

 

Bill