kenrexford Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 A recurring issue makes me think. I'm wondering if anyone does anything like the following, or has any thoughts on it. Blah-blah-blah starts us out. We decide to use RKCB, and then ask for the Queen. Now, I have seen many situations where the lack of the Queen in a 4-4 fit suggests playing in the other fit and then ditching the two small cards, or at least avoiding 4-1 splits in that suit. In other words, maybe bidding RKCB for hearts, no Queen, convert to 6♠ instead. So, this got me to thinking. It seems potentially useful for the "I ain't got the Queen" answer to be six of the cheapest possible focus suit, if the auction is forced to slam. Simple example. 1♥-P-2♣-P-3♣-P-3♥... ...cuebidding... ...4NT-P-5♦-P-5♥/♠(if one of these is your Q ask)-P-6♣(no)-P(OK, then let's try the club fit). The same thing might occur in other sequences, such as a specific King ask. Same start, Responder eventually bidding 5NT, for example. With no Kings, Opener could bid 6♣. 6♥ would then suggest the club King. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 Get this essential asking done lower in auction. Even if a bid is reserved just for slam asks initiator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 If you don't know what you want the trump suit to be, don't try and work it out at the 6-level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 If you don't know what you want the trump suit to be, don't try and work it out at the 6-level. Playing 5NT as "pick a slam" has a similar objective, doesn't it? I agree with Ken that there are sometimes auctions where you know that you have two possible trump fits, and one of them will probably be good enough, but you won't know which one. In that fairly small set of auctions it would be useful to be able to bid as Ken describes, but you'd need detailed rules about the circumstances in which the agreement applied, lest chaos ensue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted April 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 If you don't know what you want the trump suit to be, don't try and work it out at the 6-level. Playing 5NT as "pick a slam" has a similar objective, doesn't it? I agree with Ken that there are sometimes auctions where you know that you have two possible trump fits, and one of them will probably be good enough, but you won't know which one. In that fairly small set of auctions it would be useful to be able to bid as Ken describes, but you'd need detailed rules about the circumstances in which the agreement applied, lest chaos ensue. This is sort of what I thought. The most obvious example is a situation where two fits have been "established," such as a 2/1 in a minor that is raised before Responder reverts to the major. In that (obvious?) situation, then the negative reply to many asking bids that force slam could be six of the minor rather than six of the major. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 If you don't know what you want the trump suit to be, don't try and work it out at the 6-level. Playing 5NT as "pick a slam" has a similar objective, doesn't it? Yes. I don't usually play 5NT as pick a slam either... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted April 14, 2008 Report Share Posted April 14, 2008 If you don't know what you want the trump suit to be, don't try and work it out at the 6-level. Disagree 100% 5Nt pick-a-slam is the easiest way to win imps in slam bidding. Reaching beefy 5-2 fit instead of cheesy 4-4/5-3 can be very imps rewarding. The goal is honorable because i truly believe finding the best strain to play slam is the easiest way to win imps at a fairly high level. However I dont see why you should be forced to the 6 level after asking for the Q ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted April 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2008 If you don't know what you want the trump suit to be, don't try and work it out at the 6-level. Disagree 100% 5Nt pick-a-slam is the easiest way to win imps in slam bidding. Reaching beefy 5-2 fit instead of cheesy 4-4/5-3 can be very imps rewarding. The goal is honorable because i truly believe finding the best strain to play slam is the easiest way to win imps at a fairly high level. However I dont see why you should be forced to the 6 level after asking for the Q ? In some sequences, you would not be. The idea is for when you would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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