han Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 What's your auction with these two hands? AxAKxxxxKAQxx KQx-AJ10xxxKxxx South is the dealer, IMPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 opps stay quiet? 1d-1h;2c - 2s*3d - 4c4s - 5d5h - 6c? i dunno. not very good at open-card bidding :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted April 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 opps stay quiet? Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 1♦ - 1♥2♣ - 2♠3♦ - 4♣4♦ - 4♥4♠ - 4NT6♣ - 7♣ Responder knows about: Kxx void Axxxxx KxxxThat's a minimum opener, but after opener made 2 cuebids, he'll have something more, either ♠Q or ♦Q as a minimum. So 7♣ seems reasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 skaeran's auction but after 4♦ I would just keycard as north. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 Hi, 1D (1) - 1H (2)2C (3) - 2S (4)3D (5) - 4C (6)4D (7) - ... (8) (1) SAYC style(2) SAYC style, at least 5-4 in the minors(3) SAYC style(4) FSF, inv.+(5) FSF default rebid, denies 3 hearts(6) natural, forward going and forcing(7) cue(8) after a key card seq., discovering the Ace of D, the King of spades, North will bid 7C, knowing he faces at most 2 hearts With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 What's your auction with these two hands? AxAKxxxxKAQxx KQx-AJ10xxxKxxx South is the dealer, IMPs. 1D=1H2D=3C4C=4D(RKC FOR CLUBS)4NT=5D(GRAND TRY)7C( I HAVE A REAL MAX ON THIS AUCTION, I COULD HAVE SO MUCH LESS) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 Bonus question: Where do you want to play, seeing both hands? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 Very simple: 1♦ 1♥2♣ 4NT (RKCB clubs)5♥ 7♣ Really, a "wtp" to me :) Note: 4NT is ok because it's very unlikely that South has ♥xxx. If this bothers you, you can try 2♠ instead of RKCB and take it from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 My start: 1♦-1♥2♣-2♠3♦ At this point, there are three ways to proceed. Option #1: Unambiguous Focus RKCB 3♥ or 3♠ by Responder would be GF. Opener has shown both minors. In this situation, I would be able to bid 4♥ as RKCB for clubs or 4♦ as RKCB for diamonds. Opting the obvious 4♥, I find out that patner has two without (5♣). That's a seven-count where the grand has play. But, I could inquire about more stuff and find more stuff confirmed. Option #2: Unambiguous Focus Natural 4♣ or 4♦ would establish trumps for me as well, inviting either asking or telling. I want to ask, though. If I do this, 4♣, 4♥ is in focus and 4♠ is out-of-focus. That makes 4♠ RKCB and 4♦ by partner LTTC, with 4NT also presumably natural. I don't see why I would want to risk partner asking questions or blasting or anything obscure. I don't see how LTTC 4♦ would clarify that much. So, I reject that option. Option #3: Damned Bias for Majors The six-card heart suit could be rebid now (3♥). If partner raises this, though, I still want to be in a club slam at IMP scoring. If he does not, then the situation gets really muddied as to what is RKCB for clubs, if anything. So, at IMP, with this hand, I agree with everyone to ignore the six-card heart suit. I think I'd do the same thing at MP, actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 1♦ - 2♥ (14+HCP 4+♦ F1 ; 6+♥ GF)3♣ - 4♣ (nat with 0-1♥ ; nat start cuebidding)4♦ - 7♣ (even number of KC ; partner must have 2) If not natural enough, I'd bid like Josh... I don't think opener should show a 'useful void' in ♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted April 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 14+? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 14+? Lol, it's worth the upgrade with distribution and quick tricks, obviously... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 Bonus question: Where do you want to play, seeing both hands?That depends on what you think they will do at the other table. o If they will be in 6♣ or 7♣, then a grand slam in clubs needs to be better than about 56% to pay. A grand slam in clubs comes home when clubs are 3-2, hearts are not 6-1 and opponents can't find a void in partner's hand. That is better than 56%. o If they are going to be in game only, the grand in clubs needs to better than 87% to pay off. The grand slam clearly doesn't meet that requirement. o If they will be in a bad slam (6♥, 7♦, 7♥ or 7NT), the grand needs to be very good too. The question is actually more complex. You could opt for 6NT. It is a little less safe than 6♣. (You will need diamonds 3-3 or a dropping doubleton/singleton ♦Q or the long diamonds with the long clubs to make 6NT when there are only 12 tricks in clubs. Possibly your diamond spots may be important too. If you have the ♦8, the nine may be doubleton or singleton.) Given this analysis, I would want to be in 7♣ if I play in a team game against decent opposition or better. (I expect them to be in a club slam.) Against less than decent opponents, I would settle for 6♣. If I play in a cross IMP (or Butler) competition with a mixed field, I would settle for 6♣, if I want to score in the event. In general, I consider cross IMP or Butler games as practice for good team games, so I would play as if I were facing decent opponents and bid 7♣ anyway, expecting it to loose in the long run in this pairs competition but to help me win in good team games. Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 Matt and I can agree clubs with 3♣ over 2♣. Some sort of key card would be launched, although I'm unclear how the South hand can call the heart void as 'useful'. I want to be in 7♣. I'll make if hearts are 4-3, or the shortness is on my right. Edited: I thought we had the club Jack. Without it the grand isn't as good but I can't see anyone bidding it or staying outside of it with any level of precision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 A club grand is better than a reliance on hearts coming in. Obviously, if the diamond Queen is doubleton or stiff, this is a claimer if clubs also cooperate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted April 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 The question is actually more complex. You could opt for 6NT. It is a little less safe than 6♣. (You will need diamonds 3-3 or a dropping doubleton/singleton ♦Q or the long diamonds with the long clubs to make 6NT when there are only 12 tricks in clubs. Possibly your diamond spots may be important too. If you have the ♦8, the nine may be doubleton or singleton.) Hmm, I thought that 6NT makes when diamonds are 4-2 or better or clubs are 3-2. Seems better than 6C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 1♦ 1♥2♦ 3♣4♣ 4♦* * RKCB 4NT* 7♣ * Two no queen Opener has shown ♦ Axxxxx ♣ Kxxx In our style we almost certainly have much better diamonds to bypass 2♣ so 7♣ isrelatively easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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