jillybean Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 [hv=d=w&v=a&n=skj32hj3da765ct87&s=s7haq6542dkqt832c]133|200|Scoring: IMP[/hv] West North East South Pass Pass 1♣ 1♥ Pass 1♠ Pass 2♦ 3♣ 3♦ Pass 5♦ Dbl Pass Pass Pass Nice hand +950 but not top board, I didnt have the nerve to XX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 If you redouble there is a chance (perhaps small) that they will find a "winning" save in 5♠ or 6♣ (winning here is defined as -800 or less). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Not sure what your question is. 1H followed by 2D is too timid I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Lucky not to play in 1H. Why didn't South start with 2NT or even 4NT? I don't like 1S on the North hand at all, but it certainly worked out well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 I think 1S is automatic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 someone forgot to bid their spades, probably lho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 I think 1S is automatic. Discussed so many times. Funnily enough I was in the camp that said it showed 4 until I was convinced by several others that it should show 5. Hardly automatic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 I bet I wasn't one of those several others. I refuse to bid a wereaglean 1NT here so I think 1S is automatic. For you it may not be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Dealer: West Vul: All Scoring: IMP ♠ KJ32 ♥ J3 ♦ A765 ♣ T87 ♠ 7 ♥ AQ6542 ♦ KQT832 ♣ [space] West North East South Pass Pass 1♣ 1♥ Pass 1♠ Pass 2♦ 3♣ 3♦ Pass 5♦ Dbl Pass Pass Pass Nice hand +950 but not top board, I didnt have the nerve to XX I would have bid 2nt(unusual for 2 lower unbid) and then over partner's 3d bid 5d giving up on slam. I would be too chicken to try a club cuebid which just may lead to confusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 I bet I wasn't one of those several others. I refuse to bid a wereaglean 1NT here so I think 1S is automatic. For you it may not be. I don't have a problem with 1♠. In fact I view that whether 1♠ shows 4+ for you or 5+ for you is a p'ship agreement. And that even if it shows 5+ or that partner will play you for 5+, that it may still be right on the hand. However, I think "automatic" is an overbid. You have clarified, however, that it's automatic for you in your partnerships. It's all an aside (that you started :P ) from the initial problem of the 1♥ and 2♦ bids. Edit: Ok. I guess I started it by mentioning 1♠. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 two words for south: 4 N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Fine with 1S. I'm not passing 1H. Not fine with 2D; I think 3D is clear. Yes it's forcing :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 I think 1S is automatic. Agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 I think 1S is automatic. Agree. automatic? I would have passed one heart but I guess we are told that is very wrong.Granted I would never, never play partner for this hand though. I could understand 2h here, I understand pass, I understand one spade, if one spade is 100 % wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatchett Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 I agree with Han (and Harald) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 I think 1S is automatic. Agree. automatic? I would have passed one heart but I guess we are told that is very wrong.Granted I would never, never play partner for this hand though. I could understand 2h here, I understand pass, I understand one spade, if one spade is 100 % wow With wide range overcalls, advancing is automatic for me on this hand. I'd never raise with Jx support. Since we almost always overcall 1♥ with 4-5 in the majors, we need to bid spades here with four of them, to be able to find the 4-4 fit. You might chose to have suit quality requirements for bidding 1♠ on four, but I can in fact make the bid on four small (seldom occuring though). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 Fine with 1S. I'm not passing 1H. Not fine with 2D; I think 3D is clear. Yes it's forcing ;) I agree with 1♠. I am not convinced that 3♦ is forcing. Well at least not for everyone. I think it would depend on exactly how strong your simple overcalls can be. I would have thought that in a standard limited overcall style that a jump just shows a maximum overcall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 I think 1S is automatic. Discussed so many times. Funnily enough I was in the camp that said it showed 4 until I was convinced by several others that it should show 5. Hardly automatic! What are the arguments for this showing five. One of the biggest problems with simple overcalls is finding a 4=4 fit in a second suit. This is easily overcome when partner bids a four-card suit especially at the one-level. I mean after a 1♥ overcall how else are we going to find a 4=4 spade fit if responder does not bid them. Of course I know that sometimes opener will be strong enough to "reverse" into spades after some other response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchTsch Posted April 14, 2008 Report Share Posted April 14, 2008 two words for south: 4 N Why 4N and not 2N? Why cannot 4♥ be a contract we need to be in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted April 14, 2008 Report Share Posted April 14, 2008 I am not convinced that 3♦ is forcing. Well at least not for everyone. I think it would depend on exactly how strong your simple overcalls can be. I would have thought that in a standard limited overcall style that a jump just shows a maximum overcall. If 1♠ is at least 'constructive' (many play it as forcing), then why wouldn't you want 3♦ to be forcing if it shows a max overcall? I think most cap a max overcall at roughly a 17 (+ or -). While this hand is a lot less than that, the playing strength argues for some strong action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted April 14, 2008 Report Share Posted April 14, 2008 1♥? No thanks. I've seen redoubles here work out badly (opps running) but it's been at unfavorable vulnerability. I think all red at the 5-level seems relatively safe to penalize them. We are going to be setting their contract at least 2 tricks... so it seems reasonable to me. Redouble, I think, says "SURPRISE!!!!" With 6-6 you definitely have a bit of a surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcvetkov Posted April 14, 2008 Report Share Posted April 14, 2008 I would bid 2NT the first time. By the time you actually get around to bidding diamonds it may be on 4 or 5 level. I think EW left too much room here. I am actually surprised by E-W bidding. Why did not West bid 1S or negative double? He does have some spades, does he not? Why did East passed 3♣? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 two words for south: 4 N Why 4N and not 2N? Why cannot 4♥ be a contract we need to be in? we'll never buy it in 4H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 two words for south: 4 N Why 4N and not 2N? Why cannot 4♥ be a contract we need to be in? we'll never buy it in 4H Weirdest necro ever? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcurt Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 if one spade is 100 % wowIn theory new suits are 5+ and raising partner shows 3+. Sometimes you have to lie a little, usually when you can't bid NT. Here we don't have a stopper and we're too weak. I can live with ♣Txx, but not with these values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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