inquiry Posted March 11, 2004 Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 [hv=d=s&v=e&n=sj73hakj5dtcq8542&s=sakhqt9763daq42ck]133|200|Scoring: IMP[/hv]South North1♥ 4♦ 4♠ 5♥ Pass Generally I don't like assess the blame problems, but here I am showing one. 4♦ was splinter, 4♠ was cue-bid Thoughts by north.. if parnter was interested in ♥ honors he would blackwoodThoughts by south...if parnter has AKxx of hearts and I make slam try with 4♠, wouldn't sign off. Result, easy 6♥ missed, and a huge imp loss. Questions to consider. 1) Is north too good for splinter?2) Should south bid 4NT directly3) What should north bid over 4♠, and would 5♦ promise a ♦ void. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted March 11, 2004 Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 Personally I think that South is to blame. North has a perfect hand for a splinter in my opinion, good trumps and a shortage in diamonds, but no other controls. South's cue-bid was a waste of a bid frankly. Unless his partner could cue-bid the ace of clubs, what useful information could he find, and RKCB would tell him that anyway. And even after the cue-bid, he didn't think logically about what North might have. A splinter shows a good raise to 4, i.e. at least 10 working HCP. He knows North has nothing in diamonds (generally a bad idea to splinter singleton K, and even then), nothing in spades, and no ace of clubs, so clearly all of the points must be in trumps. So clearly South's fault IMO. As to the other questions, North has no other bid to make after 4S, as a cue-bid like this is surely asking for a club control. North has no reason to think that the partnership isn't off two club losers, so correctly signs off. By most agreements 5D should show a void after a 4D splinter Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trpltrbl Posted March 11, 2004 Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 1 ) no, not even close 2 ) Yes 3 ) 4♠ is accepting slamtry, and pd is missing AKJ of trump, just bid 6. Mike :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helium Posted March 11, 2004 Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 heya Ben Normally i dont answer bidding problems couse i dont play same system as most of you,i play a for of sayc:)but its we use the same gadgets like splinter Q-bids ect,so ill answer what i whould do on this one:O)) 1. no i think 4♦ is very discribing on this hand, a great bid 2. no i whould bid 5♥ (ask p to raise whit good ♥) 3.i whould bid 5 ♥ too,and yes 5♦show void now So its in my oppinion south is to blame kenneth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted March 11, 2004 Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 1) Is north too good for splinter? Depends absolutely on partnership agreements. With my current pd a splinter is done with honors in the long suits (AK or Q) and about 11-14 hcp. So it's easy to know if you have to continue and how. So with Jxx of spades I wouldn't splinter. 2) Should south bid 4NT directly Absolutely. He only needs AK of hearts to have a good playable slam. or the cA and the hK. 3) What should north bid over 4♠, and would 5♦ promise a ♦ void. Over 4s I think that 5d does indeed promise a void. He can't bid 5c with just the Q so I think that 5h is correct. If north has what the parnership has agreed for a splinter (and I suposse he has) I think 100% of the blame goes to south. 4s is a bid that doesn't have any purpose, because the only thing that south needs to do is ask for keycards. Again when poor north is unable to cuebid clubs what does he have for a splinter? South should realize that AK of hearts is a certanty and bid the slam even after his doubtful 4s start. Luis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted March 11, 2004 Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 Questions to consider. 1) Is north too good for splinter?2) Should south bid 4NT directly3) What should north bid over 4♠, and would 5♦ promise a ♦ void. Ben 1) No, perfect hand imo 2) Perhaps. Depends on your agreements... If he bids 4♠, he can find out if partner has ♣A or not. After 5♥, it's sure he has ♥AK, so slam is sure (what else does partner splinter with?). 3) North has to bid 5♥ imo, because he has no first round control ♦ and no control ♣. 4NT would be wrong... I give South the full blame... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 Questions to consider. 1) Is north too good for splinter? No. 2) Should south bid 4NT directly Yes. If the 4♦ splinter has any combination of two key cards then slam will be playable. 3) What should north bid over 4♠, and would 5♦ promise a ♦ void. 5♥ A splinter with no side controls must have excellent trumps so South can easily go on over 5♥. Opener should play the splinter for at least two useful cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishovnbg Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 1. No 2. Yes 3. 5♥; yes void and ERKCB 4. South == blame 5. Even not interesting for discussion imho. ------------------------------------------------------- Misho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poky Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 Test. (How to delete it???) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poky Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 North: 5%South: 95% 1) Is north too good for splinter?No. 2) Should south bid 4NT directlyYes. 3) What should north bid over 4♠, and would 5♦ promise a ♦ void.5♥. 5♦ is void. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 [hv=d=s&v=e&n=sj73hakj5dtcq8542&s=sakhqt9763daq42ck]133|200|Scoring: IMP[/hv]South North1♥ 4♦ 4♠ 5♥ Pass Generally I don't like assess the blame problems, but here I am showing one. 4♦ was splinter, 4♠ was cue-bid Thoughts by north.. if parnter was interested in ♥ honors he would blackwoodThoughts by south...if parnter has AKxx of hearts and I make slam try with 4♠, wouldn't sign off. Result, easy 6♥ missed, and a huge imp loss. Questions to consider. 1) Is north too good for splinter?2) Should south bid 4NT directly3) What should north bid over 4♠, and would 5♦ promise a ♦ void. Ben south 100%. He should simply bid 5H after 4D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted March 12, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 I agree with the vast majority of the posters. 1) This is a perfect 4♦ splinter, 2) 4NT is the right next bid by south, simple, safe, effective 3) South should not bid 4♠, as this specifically says I need help in ♣'s (imho). And north looking at no first or second round control in ♣'s must sign off. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 North: 5%South: 95% 1) Is north too good for splinter?No. 2) Should south bid 4NT directlyYes. 3) What should north bid over 4♠, and would 5♦ promise a ♦ void.5♥. 5♦ is void. If North did everything right, why does he get 5% of the blame??? ;) Did he give South the right cards or something? :D :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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