Hanoi5 Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 Playing in a butler tournament you open 2nd hand: [hv=d=n&v=e&s=sak87ha64dcaj8xxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Pass 1♣ Pass 1♦1♥ ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 This is one of those hands that's either ridiculously simple or I think it's really simple and I'm about to get very confused. Why would I even consider any bid besides 1♠? I'm not close to a game force, and anything fancy my partner would take as a cue in support of diamonds. Passing is right out, because if the next call is 3♥ (or even 2♥ if my partner is weak) it puts my partner in an impossible position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 what he said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted April 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 Then let me continue the bid: Pass 1♣ Pass 1♦1♥ 1♠ 3♥* XPass ??? What now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASkolnick Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 I pass. If partner has 4 clubs with me, that is the only time we can guarantee 3N making. I will take the chance of going -670 since I think there is a good chance they are going -2. Besides, where are there tricks coming from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 I pass. If partner has 4 clubs with me, that is the only time we can guarantee 3N making. If partner has 4 clubs, why aren't we playing in 6 clubs? These hands make me nervous- since I haven't shown my club length yet, and my hand is about as suited for slam as possible, I'm scared that we're missing a club slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 First bid 1♠, a non-problem. Then pass the dbl; pard should be 3253 or 3262. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 First bid 1♠, a non-problem. Then pass the dbl; pard should be 3253 or 3262. 2? Opps will more often than not have a 9 card fit on this auction. Why can't partner have 3163 or 3154? Or even 3064? (Sorry, I'm posting too much) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 First bid 1♠, a non-problem. Then pass the dbl; pard should be 3253 or 3262. 2? Opps will more often than not have a 9 card fit on this auction. Why can't partner have 3163 or 3154? Or even 3064? (Sorry, I'm posting too much) 3163 I agree he might have. But then again, after a low heart lead they're gonna be murdered. 3154 or 3064 pard might have bid 4♣ on them. Definitely on 3064. Even if he's 3154, a heart lead will have the same effect as above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted April 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 Isn't the double asking for a stopper to play 3NT? I mean, how would he do that anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 1♠ first round wtp. PASS on the second. Why are people giving partner club support when we showed clubs?? His most likely shape by far is 3253, with 3262 coming in second. I expect a massacre here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 I'd be a bit concerned about passing here. Give partner some: ♠Qxx♥xx♦Axxxx♣Kxx Yes, you will beat 3♥, probably -3 for 500 at these colors. But 5♣ is cold and 6♣ is pretty good. If partner has the same hand with one fewer heart and one more diamond (and partner having stiff heart is not really unlikely given the opposing bidding) then 6♣ is cold and 7♣ has play. And this hand probably doesn't even have the values for double. So I'd be pretty concerned about missing a club slam in order to defend 3♥, which while surely failing may not even go for more than the value of our game with us red and them white. I think I'd try 4♥ over this, honestly tempted to blast 6♣ and see how I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 1♠ shows an unbalanced hand, so partner knows we have at least 5 clubs. We have 3 aces and a void in partner's suit, I am certainly not worried about them making 3♥! I am slightly worried about missing a club slam opposite 3-card support, but even then +1100 might be a better score... Oops I misread the vulnerability, can you please always put our hand in the South seat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 Seems I see this differently than others. Of course 1S on the first round. But the double of 3H I take to show a good hand w/o a clear direction. It may well suggest that I bid 3N with a heart stop (often I would, whatever the intent) but I don't think it is a command. Partner has a stiff heart (they have 9) and at most three spades (else he would make my life easier by bidding some number of spades) and so I think some clubs in his hand is pretty likely. I have considerably more values and somewhat more clubs than I have shown, partner has forced me to 3N or higher w/o knowing of either, I think this hand makes either 5C or 6C. I don't see how partner can think I have diamonds, and we don't seem to have spades, so I will bid 4H and let partner choose the level of the club contract. If he bids 4S over 4H I will think again, since that could reasonably be to play on something like QJx with his stiff heart. This seems to be at odds with everyone else, but a guy has to do what a guy has to do. Ed: Written before the last two posts appeared. Maybe I am less alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 I'd be a bit concerned about passing here. Give partner some: ♠Qxx♥xx♦Axxxx♣Kxx Yes, you will beat 3♥, probably -3 for 500 at these colors. But 5♣ is cold and 6♣ is pretty good. what are you talking about? That's a clear raise to 4♣ :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 What is the winning action? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted April 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 This is partner's hand: [hv=s=sqjxhxdakxxxcqxxx]133|100|[/hv] Who should be blamed for not arriving to a slam? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 Sorry, I did look back for the auction, just not that far... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 This is partner's hand: Dealer: ????? Vul: ???? Scoring: Unknown ♠ QJx ♥ x ♦ AKxxx ♣ Qxxx Who should be blamed for not arriving to a slam? Wouldn't the answer to that question depend upon the rest of the auction? Why? We can blame partner like we always do. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted April 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 Then let me continue the bid: Pass 1♣ Pass 1♦1♥ 1♠ 3♥* XPass ??? Well I said 3NT and my partner passed. Who's to blame then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcvetkov Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 Somehow, the fact that partner is most likely singleton ♥ on this auction escaped all the passers. Opponents will have 9 hearts here 9 times out of 10, if not more.If that is the case, and we give partner 9 cards in minor, there is a strong argument for offence, with our rich control hand.Partner has values with no clear direction. I expect 5♣ to be cold and 6 to be very good. OF course, not trying to be smart after seeing the hand;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 I think 3N was the primary culprit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 1♠ first round wtp. PASS on the second. Why are people giving partner club support when we showed clubs?? His most likely shape by far is 3253, with 3262 coming in second. I expect a massacre here. I agree with the rest of the peanut gallery that a 1♠ rebid seems clear. I do have some questions about the relative frequency of a 3=2=5=3 hand versus a 3=2=6=2. It might be a personal quirk but I'll frequently bid 1NT on a 5332 hand that seems appropriate for NT play. I wouldn't go so far as to say that 1♦ denies a minimum strength balanced hand, but it comes close... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 I believe that with your partner's hand I would have pulled 3NT to 4C. Inviting partner to bid nt and then pulling it when he does is a clear slam try. Of course partner (you) may not be as strong as you are, but 5C certainly should be safe. Earlier though, I indicated that I would not have bid 3N with your hand either. So the contract would not be 3N no matter which hand I held. Or so I think. Easy to say when looking it all over later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 Then let me continue the bid: Pass 1♣ Pass 1♦1♥ 1♠ 3♥* XPass ??? What now? 4♥. I have too much to bid just 4♣. I cannot imagine Pass or 3NT of some sort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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