Self-Stayman.

[OleBerg]

Hi all,

 

I've seen some of the godd Italians (And others) employ these two sequences:

 

1nt-3♥

1nt-3♠

 

simply as showing a four-card suit, in the suit bid, and asking partner to bid 3nt or 4 of the suit.

 

This obviously has the advantages of not disclosing much about delarers hand, like Puppet-Stayman, but without giving the opponent artificial bids to double. Facing a 12-14 nt, right-siding is considered to be of lesser importance.

 

Has anybody seen any articles, or the like, where these bids are incooperated into a nt-system?

 

Best Regards

 

Ole Berg

[whereagles]

It does a better job of keeping the 1NT hand hidden, but that should be the only technical merit of it. Unless non-disclosure worries you, there's no need to adopt methods like these.

[Apollo81]

We use these bids as GF with exactly 4, a splinter in the other major, and tolerance (3+) each minor. Seems to work well.

[Gerben42]

I think it is nicer to play that this shows THREE cards in the bid major and shortness in the other major, suggesting a 4 - 3 fit or a minor suit game if the short major is unsufficiently stopped.

 

Going through Stayman and then jumping to 3M after 2♦ would show the 4-card major + splinter in the other major hand.

[Apollo81]

I think it is nicer to play that this shows THREE cards in the bid major and shortness in the other major, suggesting a 4 - 3 fit or a minor suit game if the short major is unsufficiently stopped.

 

Going through Stayman and then jumping to 3M after 2♦ would show the 4-card major + splinter in the other major hand.

So how do you show GF (45) majors?

 

The fragment method is good too, we have another way to show that hand, otherwise I agree 3M is better played that way.

[gnasher]

What do you lot do when you have a one-suited slam try and want to do some cue-bidding?

[whereagles]

I think it is nicer to play that this shows THREE cards in the bid major and shortness in the other major, suggesting a 4 - 3 fit or a minor suit game if the short major is unsufficiently stopped.

Good for playing 4M or 5m when the rest of the field is making 3NT +1 on a bad, but obvious, lead :P

 

The issue has been studied long ago. It is only statistically favourable to play 4M or 5m if one of the hands has a singleton. With responder 3-2 in the majors and opener balanced, that's not the case.

[Apollo81]

I think it is nicer to play that this shows THREE cards in the bid major and shortness in the other major, suggesting a 4 - 3 fit or a minor suit game if the short major is unsufficiently stopped.

Good for playing 4M or 5m when the rest of the field is making 3NT +1 on a bad, but obvious, lead :P

 

The issue has been studied long ago. It is only statistically favourable to play 4M or 5m if one of the hands has a singleton. With responder 3-2 in the majors and opener balanced, that's not the case.

He said "shortness in the other major", by which he meant a singleton or void.

[whereagles]

oh? ok. then the bid is fine