Why 6-2 Major fits end up in 3NT

[dbsboy]

Hi all, I'm a newbie here.

 

Since 1M-2m-2M only promises 5, 6-2 Major fits are often missed.

 

 

 

For example,

 

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West opened 1S

 

I reached 3NT after 1S-2C-2S-3NT.

 

And I saw Landen - Pratap pair also reached 3NT after 1S-2C-2S-2NT-3NT

 

4S was obviously a better contract, and even 6S could be made

 

 

Can this problem be solved?

[rogerclee]

Can this problem be solved?

What system do you play? 3♠ looks totally normal in 2/1 after 1♠-2♣ ; 2♠ - 2NT.

 

Landen-Pratap took a little bit of a position by believing 3NT was better than 3♠ with the strong red cards and singleton club.

[dbsboy]

I was playing SAYC at that time.

 

In 2/1, do we always rebid our 6 card Major after 1M-2m-2M-2NT?

 

The spades in this hand was strong enough to make such a rebid, but what if the suit was AT9XXX?

[P_Marlowe]

I was playing SAYC at that time.

 

In 2/1, do we always rebid our 6 card Major after 1M-2m-2M-2NT?

 

The spades in this hand was strong enough to make such a rebid, but what if the suit was AT9XXX?

2NT shows 2 spades, there maybe hands with a spade

singleton, who bid 2NT, but they are very rare.

So with 6 spades you can simply bid 4S after 2NT.

 

For that matter, it is more important to play 4S, if

your spades are poor, than in the case your spades

are good.

The good suit will take their tricks in both contracts,

the bad suit may need time to develop.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

 

PS: Playing SAYV, 2NT can be passed, i.e. you wont

make this bid with 13HCP oppossite a opener.

[ClaceyJ]

Regarding the specific sequence you have in the given hands (1S-2C-2S), its important to think of a couple of other things first-

 

Does your NT opening include all balanced hands with a 5cM within range? Are you playing 1S-2C-2NT as showing a weak NT? If so, then 1S-2C-2S should promise 6S, as you cant have 4C,4D, or 4H, or be a 5332 shape as this would be within some form of NT opening or rebid.

 

Jc

[vuroth]

2NT shows 2 spades, there maybe hands with a spade

singleton, who bid 2NT, but they are very rare.

So with 6 spades you can simply bid 4S after 2NT.

As came up in yesterday's thread, partner could bid 3♣ and still have 2 card support.

 

I'm not sure you're always going to find the 6-2....

[jtfanclub]

3♦.

 

1♠ 2♣ 2♠ 3♦ 3♠ 4♠, or

 

1♠ 2♣ 2♠ 3♦ 3♥ 3♠ 4♠

 

depending upon whether opener considers it more important to show the heart stopper or the 6th spade.

 

3 diamonds is game forcing and ostensibly natural. If the auction goes

 

1♠ 2♣ 2♠ 3♦ 4♦

 

then opener has 6 spades, since he shouldn't rebid 2♠ with 5-2-4-2 shape.

 

(I'm sure somebody will tell me why this wrong)

[dbsboy]

In 2/1, Does 1S-2m-2S-2NT imply 2 card Major support? (Sorry, but I am a beginner playing 2/1)

 

How about 1444 hands or some 1435 / 1345 while your HCPs are evenly distributed within the 3 suits?

 

 

And 1S-2C-2S-3D is also not a popular choice. When the opener has 3 Clubs he will often bid 4C. Must opener have 6+Spades?

[jdonn]

East can bid 3♠ to confirm 6 on the third round. It doesn't show 7 since the basic assumption is if he has 7 we will play in the major, so his partner should only assume 6.

 

That being said, if the worst thing that ever happens to you is reaching 3NT on these cards having discouraged a club lead along the way, I think you'll be ok.