vuroth Posted April 14, 2008 Report Share Posted April 14, 2008 Nato(europe) needs to step up in Afghanistan or pull out if it... The US contributes less than 50% of the ISAF headcount. Ergo, what exactly would a "step up" contain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuroth Posted April 14, 2008 Report Share Posted April 14, 2008 Before the next generation of "Death to America" comes of age in the middle east, just withdraw and send money on a monthly basis (I figure at a billion per, you will save a bundle!) Let the Iraqis have their country back to do with as they see fit. I think that's how the paragon of virtue and stability we call Saudi Arabia was created. You know, the birthplace of Wahhabi Islam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted April 14, 2008 Report Share Posted April 14, 2008 That is a quality fruit salad on that man's chest there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted April 14, 2008 Report Share Posted April 14, 2008 Let me use a crazy silly example: Iran maybe trying to get a nuclear bomb the next 4 years. The IAEA says that Iran is compliant and is not engaging in weapons building.Our own N.S.E. said that Iran gave up its nuclear weapons program in 2003. How about I use a crazy silly example of my own: How about everyone stop the innuendo about Iran seeking bombs until someone can turn up actual proof? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted April 14, 2008 Report Share Posted April 14, 2008 Let me use a crazy silly example: Iran maybe trying to get a nuclear bomb the next 4 years. The IAEA says that Iran is compliant and is not engaging in weapons building.Our own N.S.E. said that Iran gave up its nuclear weapons program in 2003. How about I use a crazy silly example of my own: How about everyone stop the innuendo about Iran seeking bombs until someone can turn up actual proof? good idea... what do you think should happen if such proof is turned up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted April 14, 2008 Report Share Posted April 14, 2008 Before the next generation of "Death to America" comes of age in the middle east, just withdraw and send money on a monthly basis (I figure at a billion per, you will save a bundle!) Let the Iraqis have their country back to do with as they see fit. I think that's how the paragon of virtue and stability we call Saudi Arabia was created. You know, the birthplace of Wahhabi Islam. Don't knock Saudi Arabia!!! They are the US' 2nd best ally in the region! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted April 14, 2008 Report Share Posted April 14, 2008 Let me use a crazy silly example: Iran maybe trying to get a nuclear bomb the next 4 years. The IAEA says that Iran is compliant and is not engaging in weapons building.Our own N.S.E. said that Iran gave up its nuclear weapons program in 2003. How about I use a crazy silly example of my own: How about everyone stop the innuendo about Iran seeking bombs until someone can turn up actual proof? good idea... what do you think should happen if such proof is turned up? How about we treat them at least as badly as we did Pakistan....and India and.....ISRAEL? (To say nothing of the other 4.) I fear the US more than Iran as far as Nukes and the use of aggressive force is concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted April 14, 2008 Report Share Posted April 14, 2008 The US has had nukes for more than 60 years. If we were going to use them unilaterally, don't you think we would have done so already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted April 14, 2008 Report Share Posted April 14, 2008 good idea... what do you think should happen if such proof is turned up? If such proof turns up, we should subtract the "if" from the question. Now the question would be: Iran is making nuclear weapons. What should the U.S. do about it? Answer: I don't know. A related question back at you. India, Pakistan, Israel, China, and Russia all have nuclear weapons - should the U.S. have done something when those countries began their quests for nukes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 The US has had nukes for more than 60 years. If we were going to use them unilaterally, don't you think we would have done so already? Well, there are still Marvin and Jeb and Neil to come......only takes one lunatic to make a mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 Well, apart from the OBVIOUS motivations concerning greed there is still parsimony not to mention obstinacy.....The US is in decline and the rich are sucking what life is left out of it as fast as they can. The Chinese are next and then, who knows or cares, all one in the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 good idea... what do you think should happen if such proof is turned up? If such proof turns up, we should subtract the "if" from the question. Now the question would be: Iran is making nuclear weapons. What should the U.S. do about it? Answer: I don't know. A related question back at you. India, Pakistan, Israel, China, and Russia all have nuclear weapons - should the U.S. have done something when those countries began their quests for nukes? i'm not sure how israel factors into the discussion re: those countries... probably it would be best to just sit back and let israel handle iran, if it comes to it, but i think the us sees iran as a direct military threat with the bomb... i know *you* don't see the threat (or al, or maybe even me) but that doesn't mean there is no threat - to us and/or israel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 good idea... what do you think should happen if such proof is turned up? If such proof turns up, we should subtract the "if" from the question. Now the question would be: Iran is making nuclear weapons. What should the U.S. do about it? Answer: I don't know. A related question back at you. India, Pakistan, Israel, China, and Russia all have nuclear weapons - should the U.S. have done something when those countries began their quests for nukes? i'm not sure how israel factors into the discussion re: those countries... probably it would be best to just sit back and let israel handle iran, if it comes to it, but i think the us sees iran as a direct military threat with the bomb... i know *you* don't see the threat (or al, or maybe even me) but that doesn't mean there is no threat - to us and/or israel If the deciding factor is a military threat, then the argument must have been that China, Russia, Israel, Pakistan, and India posed no military threat. However, I happen to believe that warfare should be a last resort option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 russia doesnt want to invade washington. baghadad doesnt want to invade washington. no country wants to invade washington. where's the war? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 The US has had nukes for more than 60 years. If we were going to use them unilaterally, don't you think we would have done so already? Well, actually, we have. But I take your meaning and (mostly) agree with it. I regard the fact that since Nagasaki no one has dropped one on anyone as something of a miracle. Korea could have gone either way. Cuba in 1962 was close. Goldwater contemplated the use of nuclear weapons in Viet Nam. I don't actually believe in miracles, I don't think a higher power watches over us, I am not all that confident of the future, I think we need all the wisdom we can get. From all sides. To quote Tom Lehrer: The Lord's my shepherd says the psalm, but just in case, we better get a bomb. Who's next? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 Tom says Be preparedThats the Boy Scouts marching songBe preparedAs through life you march along Be prepared to hold your liquor pretty wellDon't write naughty words on walls....if you can't spellBe prepared If you're looking for adventureof a new and different kindand you come across a girl scout who is similarly inclineddon't be nervousdon't be flustereddon't be scared Nuke Iran!!! (that was me, tee hee) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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