What's the minimum for 2N over 1N

[Finch]

The way it's played around here, 3♠ is game forcing, and 4♠ shows decent spades but a minimum. That may be the confusion.

Yes, i agree that's what 3S and 4S mean.

But why would I bid 3S on a 5422 game force over a 2NT bid?

That looks like an obvious double (in case partner wants to defend) followed by a take-out double of their suit.

 

Make responder 6412 and yes, cold for slam - in hearts.

 

Now, it's certainly true that overcalling 2NT and pre-empting in diamonds is going to make it seriously tough to get there, in that sense any time you bid 2NT and you have a fit you are going to be right to bid.

[jtfanclub]

So I think it is wrong to answer the poll based on what you'd do against intermediate opps. And, at this level, the opps are certainly good enough to start with double a lot of the time, over 2N. And, if that happens, you have (almost certainly) generated a losing position.

I don't think starting with an X is a losing proposition (it depends on their followups), but I will agree that the venue should have influenced my comments. I know that the people in the Finals of the Flight B and Flight C NAPs couldn't handle it properly even with starting with an X. I wasn't aware that Flight A was that much better.

 

So I apologize, you are correct. I was answering the poll generically, not based on the venue.

 

As for disrupting the auction of weak opps, my view is that, if we are significantly better players, why randomize the results?

 

Because at best I'm at the low edge of Advanced. The people who can't handle 2NT properly are not 'weak opps' from my standpoint, they are my peers.

[jdonn]

Because at best I'm at the low edge of Advanced. The people who can't handle 2NT properly are not 'weak opps' from my standpoint, they are my peers.

Ok it's settled. Bid 2NT against you.

[awm]

A sort of random question on this....

 

Suppose you had a natural 2♦ overcall available. Would you be tempted to bid it?

 

I would. This call seems a lot less risky than 2NT (you are a level lower). And it interferes with opponents stayman/transfer methods. You will often get them playing 4M from the "wrong side" if they play standard stuff (lebensohl etc) and you will also get partner to push a diamond through notrump opener at trick one (probably a nice lead). This seems a lot more appealing than being on lead with my hand against 4M (especially if it's my singleton major). And there is still some chance to find a good sacrifice if you have one, and if LHO makes a resounding penalty double you can maybe run to 3♣. The 2♦ bid also doesn't help as much in placing cards in the play (opponents know only one suit, not two, and can't guess the major suit breaks so well, and may in fact play you for more cards including some major suit honor for the overcall).

 

Anyways, as to bidding 2NT I would probably do it at favorable but I'm passing at all white. Same applies if they open my singleton major.

[skjaeran]

I'd pass with this, then again, I've never played 2NT as minors over 1NT. B)

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

I would bid 2NT, unless red vs. green,

we dont play DONT.

 

But bidding is agressive, and it is a matter

of style / experience.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

 

PS: If I played DONT, I would bid even red vs.

green.