All four eights

[Finch]

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1♦ 1♥ P 2♦

P 2♥ P 2NT

P 3NT x all pass[/hv]

 

Still playing the same 48-board aggregate KO match.

RHO's 2D bid showed heart support. He could have bid change of suit forcing or 2NT natural directly over 1H.

[OleBerg]

It all depends on agreements.

 

If the double is simply penalty (Old-fashioned, it only has any merit vs really bad opponents) you lead a high diamond.

 

If lead-directing, which is clearly superior, then a high club stands out. Partner didnt bid or double over 1♥, so he hasnt got anything strong in spades.

 

I expect to find partner with a decent club-suit and a heart-stopper.

 

Best Regards

 

Ole Berg

[gnasher]

There is one thing I'm certain about: If I get this wrong, partner, probably backed up by teammates, will explain why it's obvious that his double showed whatever it is that he was dealt on this occasion.

 

I don't think partner can have a suit strong enough to ask me to lead it, because he would have bid at some point. He must have a strong heart holding, but not a strong enough hand to want to double 2♥, especially once a fit had been found. I'd like to think he has a card outside, but then why didn't he bid 1NT?

 

Perhaps he has something like Axx Q109xx x xxxx, on which he might not fancy either 1NT or 2♥x, but is pretty sure that they're not making any game. In that case the double just tells me not to panic and suggests I make my natural lead.

 

I lead ♦Q, slightly worried about the possibility of hitting partner's stiff king.

[Free]

♥

[dicklont]

Partners asks me to lead a heart, so I do it.

[Halo]

8♥

 

If partner hasn't got very strong hearts and an entry, at least I'll widen my horizons on the meaning of this auction.

[Codo]

For all the heart leaders:

 

Why did partner passed twice?

 

You play him to have a trap pass, but not doubling 2 Heart AND yo play opponents to bid this way with just a mediocre fit?

Or do you play partner for a hand where he forgot do bid 1 or 2 NT?

 

I would play him for a double of the sound of the auction. He sees that they have no running suit (and no suit to run to) and he thinks that they will fail to make 3 NT.

 

So I lead my systemic diamond.

 

Second choice would be a long club suit with a sure heart stopper, but this will be do deep to me, because neither Axxxxx nor JTxxxxx seems to be good enough to double for.

 

So all heart leaders, please construrt some hands for me where a heart lead is right and pd has a hand which fits to the bidding.

[ochinko]

Partner looks like having four hearts with one, hopefully two, tricks there but I don't think leading a heart will find the setting trick.

 

Spades are out as partner failed to make a 1♠ overcall.

 

My diamonds are not solid enough to know which one of them to lead.

 

This leaves ♣K as my only option. If ♥8 was the right card I can still lead it after regaining the lead. Nothing is lost as I am not able to lead ♥ twice anyway.

[655321]

Low diamond.

 

Partner has doubled for penalties, not for the lead.

All he needs is hearts reasonably held, and a few points.

I just make my normal lead, knowing declarer is not running the hearts.

[nige1]

[hv=d=s&v=n&s=sk86h8dqj8743ckq8]133|100|Scoring: Total Points

1♦ 1♥ P 2♦

P 2♥ P 2NT

P 3NT x all pass

Still playing the same 48-board aggregate KO match.

RHO's 2D bid showed heart support. He could have bid change of suit forcing or 2NT natural directly over 1H.[/hv]

IMO Low ♦ = 10, ♥ = 8, ♣ = 3. ♠ = 1

Partner has a ♥ surprise for opponents but that will not always mean that he wants the suit led. I just that hope he has something like ♠xxx ♥KQTx ♦Kx ♣Txxx

[gnasher]

I just that hope he has something like ♠xxx ♥KQTx ♦Kx ♣Txxx

I rarely hope for my partner to have lost his marbles. Why wouldn't he have bid 1NT with that?

[dcvetkov]

I agree with previous post that partner passed twice ( why?) and we have to take a note. I expect partner to double 2H with a really strong holding like AKJ10, so I would rule out H.

 

No, I would lead a diamond. For me, double confirms a high diamond honour, and he has entry in hearts. It actually prevents me from leading something imaginative like club or spade w/o the double.

[Poky]

♥ = 10

♣K = 6

♠ = 3

small ♦= 1

♦Q = 0

[pclayton]

I can't see a heart as ever being right on this auction if the explanations are correct. Where are their tricks coming from?

 

I think pard has 4 or 5 card heart stack and a diamond card. Low ♦ for me.

[xcurt]

Low diamond.

 

For everyone who gave partner an A, K, and a J, are the opponents really bidding this way with 21 HCP?

 

My understanding of expert standard, if there is such a thing in this situation, is that doubling 3NT asks for, in order

 

leader's suit

doubler's suit

dummy's suit

leader's weaker major*

 

*some play 1N-3Nx and 1N-6N-x specifically asks for one of the majors

 

I predict partner has HQT8x or so, DKx or so, and wants me not to get clever.

[cherdano]

I think this double logically cannot ask for a heart lead. If partner has a penalty pass, he should have 5 hearts, but then he won't assume that I have a heart to lead. We shouldn't cater our agreements to a 4-card penalty pass, IMO.

 

So probably partner has hearts locked up and help for our normal lead.

[ochinko]

[hv=d=s&v=n&s=sk86h8dqj8743ckq8]133|100|Scoring: Total Points

1♦ 1♥ P 2♦

P 2♥ P 2NT

P 3NT x all pass

Still playing the same 48-board aggregate KO match.

RHO's 2D bid showed heart support. He could have bid change of suit forcing or 2NT natural directly over 1H.[/hv]

IMO Low ♦ = 10, ♥ = 8, ♣ = 3. ♠ = 1

Partner has a ♥ surprise for opponents but that will not always mean that he wants the suit led. I just that hope he has something like ♠xxx ♥KQTx ♦Kx ♣Txxx

What system do you play where a 1♦ opening guarantees six diamonds? Even if your partner's opening promises four of them (which is not standard) you double expecting your partner to lead a suit where opps have more cards in there line than you have in yours? I don't get this.

 

Your partner opens 1♦ with ♦xxxx, and you confidently double with ♦Kx?

[Finch]

Low diamond.

 

Partner has doubled for penalties, not for the lead.

All he needs is hearts reasonably held, and a few points.

I just make my normal lead, knowing declarer is not running the hearts.

I think this is right.

 

It's not like the auction 1D 1H P 1/2NT P 3NT x when partner is doubling an unlimited auction and is very likely to have a penalty double of hearts; in that case a heart lead is much more tempting.

 

Here partner has not doubled 2H so can't be that well stacked in the suit.

 

Anyway, it's cold on any lead, although a spade gives declarer the biggest problems. Luckily it requires very careful play as well as a good read of the layout and trickled one off.

 

Partner has

 

J9xx

KQ765

x

10xx

 

I led a low diamond hoping for singleton diamond honour somewhere round the table.

[Halo]

Well, I'm not sure. This is the expert forum, so let's ask:

 

"What does your partner know about your hand".

 

From previous posts, I think that you are potentially weak with 4 diamonds and no five card major. I would normally have five diamonds, but there you are.

 

So basically, partner's double is well nigh impossible. He cannot have a double.

[Codo]

Well, I'm not sure. This is the expert forum, so let's ask:

 

"What does your partner know about your hand".

 

From previous posts, I think that you are potentially weak with 4 diamonds and no five card major. I would normally have five diamonds, but there you are.

 

So basically, partner's double is well nigh impossible. He cannot have a double.

They are in 3 NT with at most 22 HCPs.

I really do stop their only anounced suit and have at least some length in the other unbid suits.

 

Why don't I have a double?

 

Sorry I don't get your comment.

 

I would agree that there is no need to double with his particular hand, but to say that pd cannot have a double is not obvious for me.

[OleBerg]

Well, I'm not sure.  This is the expert forum, so let's ask:

 

"What does your partner know about your hand".

 

From previous posts, I think that you are potentially weak with 4 diamonds and no five card major.  I would normally have five diamonds, but there you are.

 

So basically, partner's double is well nigh impossible.  He cannot have a double.

Roughly spot on.

 

In my previous post, I expected partner to have a decent club-suit and a heart stopper, but of course he would have bid 1nt the first time, had he had that hand.

 

So now Im down to a decent clubsuit, a hand like:

 

♠xxx

♥xxxx

♦x

♣AJ10xx

 

Some may argue, that partner cannot double, as he cannot be sure, that a club lead will defeat the contract.

 

The double doesnt have to be "safe" to be made, it only has to be odds-on. As it is obvious, that the opponents have stretched, the right lead might very well make the difference.

 

With the actual hand, partner created his own trouble, by not showing his spades on the first round. (Double or 1♠, depending on methods.)

 

Best Regards

 

Ole Berg