CSGibson Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 [hv=d=s&v=n&s=sq6ht763d4caj8742]133|100|Scoring: MPP-(P)-1♥-(X),?[/hv] By partnership agreement, 3rd hand openers can be very light. Playing 2-way drury on over X, and without fit-jumps (whether this qualifies or not for you), what would you bid with this hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 I like 4H but it will not be a popular choice :D Works for me though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 3♣ fit jump looks fine (woops didn't read everything), otherwise 4♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 3♣ fit jump looks fine ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 3♣ fit jump looks fine Good idea if you ignore the first post. In the given scenario I go with 2 Diamond or 4 Heart, depending on partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 3H is enough, partner could have a 4carder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 4♥ without thinking too hard. We don't have to have ten tricks for this to work out well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 I like 4H but it will not be a popular choice :blink: Works for me though. I like 4C fit, but it seems that isn't allowed. Failing that 4H. Obviously it depends what you mean by 'very light'. As long as it means a sound opener or a decent suit, then why shouldn't we bid 4H? If it means partner might have a random balanced 9 count then it's a different matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 Going with 4♥. If pard has his usual 3rd hand bag of pile, then RHO has a monster and probably will bid 4♠ or 5♦ over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 As long as very light means he still has hearts then 4♥ should be fine. Ok so you don't play fit-jumps but what is a passed hand 3♣/♦ - does it mean nothing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted April 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 As long as very light means he still has hearts then 4♥ should be fine. Ok so you don't play fit-jumps but what is a passed hand 3♣/♦ - does it mean nothing? Undiscussed in this partnership. We'll probably add fit jumps to the system eventually, but we're working through some more common problem auctions before getting to that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 4♥ is tempting, but it depends upon whom you're partnering. I'd not advice anyone doing that with me opposite! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 Fine - 4♥. I'm on record about 4 trump and a side 6 bagger = 5 trump and a stiff, so jam it into game. of the things we aren't playing: 3N as a preemptive raise with a card seems perfect. 3♣ is too much and the hand is a little offbeat for 4♣, although its reasonable. Pard is 3rd chair and I will like to see his hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 A white third-deat opening that could be light usually looks somewhat like 3433 with three of the top four heart honors, right? This just makes a 4♥ blast look like something that may well hang partner. I do think that something is called for, but I'm not sure what to do. Difficult problem. If I were asked what I would do on different days, I might have different answers. With the system parameters described so far, I might even pass some times, strangely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 I like 4H but it will not be a popular choice :) Works for me though.popular in this tiny part of the world as well... my choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 A white third-deat opening that could be light usually looks somewhat like 3433 with three of the top four heart honors, right? This just makes a 4♥ blast look like something that may well hang partner. Oh darn, they have to find the ♠Q to make 4♠. Thats assuming we are actually cashing 2♥ and a club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 A white third-deat opening that could be light usually looks somewhat like 3433 with three of the top four heart honors, right? This just makes a 4♥ blast look like something that may well hang partner. Oh darn, they have to find the ♠Q to make 4♠. Thats assuming we are actually cashing 2♥ and a club. ♠Jxx ♥AKJx ♦xxx ♣xxx ♠Jxx ♥AKJx ♦Axx ♣xxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 A hand never "usually looks like a 4333", simply because 4333 is a rare shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 A hand never "usually looks like a 4333", simply because 4333 is a rare shape. What? A hand "looks like 3433" if it would be 4333 if you could move one card to get to 3433, especially without reducing the spade count below passable/three. Hence, 35323523443244233442 and3424 all "look like 3433." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted April 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Fine - 4♥. I'm on record about 4 trump and a side 6 bagger = 5 trump and a stiff, so jam it into game. of the things we aren't playing: 3N as a preemptive raise with a card seems perfect. 3♣ is too much and the hand is a little offbeat for 4♣, although its reasonable. Pard is 3rd chair and I will like to see his hand. [hv=d=s&v=n&n=skj72haqj9542dct5&s=sq6ht763d4caj8742]133|200|Scoring: MP[/hv] This is the full N-S hand. I chose to make this a 4 card limit raise, LHO bid 2 spades, Partner went to 4 hearts, RHO bid 5 diamonds, passed to partner who bid 5 hearts, playing it there. Partner guessed hearts and scored it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Fine - 4♥. I'm on record about 4 trump and a side 6 bagger = 5 trump and a stiff, so jam it into game. of the things we aren't playing: 3N as a preemptive raise with a card seems perfect. 3♣ is too much and the hand is a little offbeat for 4♣, although its reasonable. Pard is 3rd chair and I will like to see his hand. [hv=d=s&v=n&n=skj72haqj9542dct5&s=sq6ht763d4caj8742]133|200|Scoring: MP[/hv] This is the full N-S hand. I chose to make this a 4 card limit raise, LHO bid 2 spades, Partner went to 4 hearts, RHO bid 5 diamonds, passed to partner who bid 5 hearts, playing it there. Partner guessed hearts and scored it up. As 3rd hand I would just open 4♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Hi, 2D. It is either 2D or 3H, I am not sure which I prefer, ask me tommorow, and I may have changed my mind, maybe even two times, it depends heavily on what "regular light 3rd seat openings" precise means, if this bid could be based on a 4 card suit, and so on .... But I am not giving up yet on reaching 4H in a constructiveway. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Fine - 4♥. I'm on record about 4 trump and a side 6 bagger = 5 trump and a stiff, so jam it into game. of the things we aren't playing: 3N as a preemptive raise with a card seems perfect. 3♣ is too much and the hand is a little offbeat for 4♣, although its reasonable. Pard is 3rd chair and I will like to see his hand. [hv=d=s&v=n&n=skj72haqj9542dct5&s=sq6ht763d4caj8742]133|200|Scoring: MP[/hv] This is the full N-S hand. I chose to make this a 4 card limit raise, LHO bid 2 spades, Partner went to 4 hearts, RHO bid 5 diamonds, passed to partner who bid 5 hearts, playing it there. Partner guessed hearts and scored it up. As 3rd hand I would just open 4♥. agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilgan Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Fine - 4♥. I'm on record about 4 trump and a side 6 bagger = 5 trump and a stiff, so jam it into game. of the things we aren't playing: 3N as a preemptive raise with a card seems perfect. 3♣ is too much and the hand is a little offbeat for 4♣, although its reasonable. Pard is 3rd chair and I will like to see his hand. [hv=d=s&v=n&n=skj72haqj9542dct5&s=sq6ht763d4caj8742]133|200|Scoring: MP[/hv] This is the full N-S hand. I chose to make this a 4 card limit raise, LHO bid 2 spades, Partner went to 4 hearts, RHO bid 5 diamonds, passed to partner who bid 5 hearts, playing it there. Partner guessed hearts and scored it up. As 3rd hand I would just open 4♥. agree. With 4 card spades? Switch the spades and clubs and I think that's an easy call. With 4 spades tho, we could easily have game in spades if partner has as little as QTxx x KJx xxxx, whereas 4 hearts would not be odds on. I mean.. I am a huge fan of preempting, and will do so in a minor w/ a 4 card spade suit fairly often. However, when you own the major suits, there seems to be less of a rush imo. On the flipside.. with what it sounds like east had, I'm not sure that X is the best bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Fine - 4♥. I'm on record about 4 trump and a side 6 bagger = 5 trump and a stiff, so jam it into game. of the things we aren't playing: 3N as a preemptive raise with a card seems perfect. 3♣ is too much and the hand is a little offbeat for 4♣, although its reasonable. Pard is 3rd chair and I will like to see his hand. [hv=d=s&v=n&n=skj72haqj9542dct5&s=sq6ht763d4caj8742]133|200|Scoring: MP[/hv] This is the full N-S hand. I chose to make this a 4 card limit raise, LHO bid 2 spades, Partner went to 4 hearts, RHO bid 5 diamonds, passed to partner who bid 5 hearts, playing it there. Partner guessed hearts and scored it up. As 3rd hand I would just open 4♥. agree. With 4 card spades? Switch the spades and clubs and I think that's an easy call. With 4 spades tho, we could easily have game in spades if partner has as little as QTxx x KJx xxxx, whereas 4 hearts would not be odds on. I mean.. I am a huge fan of preempting, and will do so in a minor w/ a 4 card spade suit fairly often. However, when you own the major suits, there seems to be less of a rush imo. On the flipside.. with what it sounds like east had, I'm not sure that X is the best bid. It is an old discussion, holding a 7-4 hand, if you preferto play the 44 fit or your own "fit".I believe the most common believe is, that playing inyour own "fit" is usally better.Of course most common believe means not, that it is true With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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