the hog Posted March 10, 2004 Report Share Posted March 10, 2004 Imps vul vs not [hv=s=s9653hdt63cakj764]133|100|[/hv] (1H) 1S (4H) 4S(5H) 5S (6H) What do you bid? Unfortunately the 4H bid removed a fit showing jump in C from your auction. You onlybid 4S because you are a bit worried about a D and a S loser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted March 10, 2004 Report Share Posted March 10, 2004 I think the problem here is "do i bid 6♠ or are we going to double". I suspect RHO has a void ♠, so the trumps will be onside. I suspect we have at least 10 trumps together. The problem is ♦s. Are we controling them or not? Since partner bid 5♠ after a weak bid from us, while we are V and they are not, I think he's short in ♣s, "long" in ♥s and ♦s. I think it's best to pass. It should be forcing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted March 11, 2004 Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 Your partner's 5♠ was not invintatonal to slam, since at this vul, he could have used a forcing pass. However, he lacks a ♥ control or a ♣ top honor and yet he bravely bid 5♠. He simply must have good ♠s and a diamond control. I am actually very tempted to pass and then pull my partner's double to 6♠ inviting 7♠. After all we probably would have stopped in 4♠ if left to our own chances. The more I think about it, the more that is probably right to pass inviting six, and pull if partner doubles. However, since I can't be sure 7 is going to be a good contract, I will simply bid 6♠. If they take a 7♥ save, I will use a forcing pass then. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted March 11, 2004 Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 Since partner bid 5♠ after a weak bid from us,... Why is 4♠ a weak bid from us? I find it losing bridge to bid game vulnerable with a weak hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishovnbg Posted March 11, 2004 Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 ----------------------------------------------------Hi all!I think will be difficulte for my patner to bid 5♠ without control ♦, so slam is possible. I don't like for slam: probable lack of entry to ♣ after ♥ lead; weak trumps; pushing us to slam by E can be unwise, but can be insidious too. So I will not bid it directly, but will invite it by forcing pass, mainly show to p void in ♥ (with same hand but singleton I will double). Unlike Ben I will stay on his double, if he decide so. For me searching for grand, while p even didn't invite previous round of bidding is without any reason Ben, sorry. ---------------------------------------------------------Misho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted March 11, 2004 Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 Since partner bid 5♠ after a weak bid from us,... Why is 4♠ a weak bid from us? I find it losing bridge to bid game vulnerable with a weak hand. Hmmm, I guess it's a remaining part of my original post, when the bidding wasn't correct yet. V vs NV, you should have a sound hand for 4♠, you're absolutely right... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted March 11, 2004 Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 Unlike Ben I will stay on his double, if he decide so. For me searching for grand, while p even didn't invite previous round of bidding is without any reason Ben, sorry. My friend, I think you may have mis-read my post... I said while I think pass then pull inviting seven MIGHT BE right, I would not do that. So.... I did NOT use a forcing pass and then pull partners double. In fact, if I pass with this hand now, and partner did double I would stand for the double... this is why I finally bid 6♠. So check my reply again, I did simply bid 6. IF the opponents were willing to save against 5♠, one of them maybe tempted to save against 6... an added possible benefit. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trpltrbl Posted March 11, 2004 Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 Pd is bidding at 5 level, VUL with no ♣ control. I am bidding 6♠, I have 4 trump void and very nice side suit, pd must have ♦ control for his bidding. Mike :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 11, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 So I will not bid it directly, but will invite it by forcing pass Yes Misho, I like this as well. For those interested, Pd held[hv=s=sakqxxxhxdaxxcxxx]133|100|[/hv] Clubs broke 2-2, so you do make 7, maybe somewhat luckily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted March 11, 2004 Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 "maybe"??? OMG!! :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trpltrbl Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 I guess a ♥ was lead, because on a ♦ lead to have to guess really well, unless Qx ♣ onside. Mike ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 12, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 The lead makes no difference at all in 7. It makes a difference in 6. They were in 6H doubled at our table incidentally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 So I will not bid it directly, but will invite it by forcing pass Yes Misho, I like this as well. For those interested, Pd held[hv=s=sakqxxxhxdaxxcxxx]133|100|[/hv] Clubs broke 2-2, so you do make 7, maybe somewhat luckily. The ♠ bidders hand (vulnerable) is just about what it should be. I would have expected a ♥ more perhaps and a ♣ less. Why a ♥ more? With a singleton ♥ he might have passed over 5♥ and pulled our double to 5♠ to invite slam. If you stop and think about it, at this vul, it is a mistake to use forcing pass here, for the reason I pointed out above. If partner doubles, you are not good enough to suggest grand slam by bidding 6♠ then, although, as I noted, 7♠ could very easy be on. But one thing for sure, 6♠ has to have a great play on this auction, and I don't want to defend 6♥s. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishovnbg Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 So I will not bid it directly, but will invite it by forcing pass Yes Misho, I like this as well. For those interested, Pd held Dealer: ????? Vul: ???? Scoring: Unknown ♠ AKQxxx ♥ x ♦ Axx ♣ xxx Clubs broke 2-2, so you do make 7, maybe somewhat luckily. The ♠ bidders hand (vulnerable) is just about what it should be. I would have expected a ♥ more perhaps and a ♣ less. Why a ♥ more? With a singleton ♥ he might have passed over 5♥ and pulled our double to 5♠ to invite slam. If you stop and think about it, at this vul, it is a mistake to use forcing pass here, for the reason I pointed out above. If partner doubles, you are not good enough to suggest grand slam by bidding 6♠ then, although, as I noted, 7♠ could very easy be on. But one thing for sure, 6♠ has to have a great play on this auction, and I don't want to defend 6♥s. Ben ---------------------------------------------------------Hi Ben! ------Short ♥ is not enough for forcing pass imo. With 6L you need 5!!! cover cards for slam and if your partner have them, probably he will find the way to slam... 5♠ is perfect bid imo. --------------------------------------------------Misho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 Yes, Misho, I would have bid 5♠ with that hand as well. As you say, a short ♥ alone is not enough to use a forcing pass. My view wasn't that he should have used a forcing pass, and I even said his hand was just about what I expected. But I seldom expect the opponents of having a 12 card fit. So all things considered with my own void, I anticipated another ♥. But with his hand opposite a partner with an announced offensive hand, and me with a hand that is all offense and very little defense myself, I am not going to defend against 6♥... from the bidding I think 6♠ should be almost laydown, and 7♠ maybe cold, which is why I bid on. It would be curious to see how at Ron's table these hands ended up defending against 6♥X. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 12, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 Our auction won't help you much as we were playing against an odd very light opening system.(1H) 1S (4H) 4S(5H) 5S (6H) P(P) X I made a forcing pass over 6H and Paul, looking at 3 small C and no D fillers decided to X rather than take my bid at full face value. Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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