jillybean Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 3 passes to you: xAKT98643KQJJ ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 4H willing to miss slam opp 2 aces and 2 trumps in order to preempt them. Even with them being passed hands they could have a good save or even a making game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted April 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 I bid 4♥ and then it got interesting.. (P) P (P) 4♥(4nt) P (5♣) P(P) 5♥ ap Partner turned up withA9xxQJxxAxxxx I made 7♥ , both my p and opps blamed the 4♥ bid and said that my bid was 1♥ :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 Your partners fault. In 4. hand you do not preempt, you bid to make. He MUST bid 5 ♦ after 4 NT, which should show a real good hand for HEarts and a diamond control and nothing in clubs. His pass and then 5 Heart bid showed something like xxx,QJxx,xxx,xxx (well maybe a little more..) I think a direct 6 Heart bid from him is MUCH better then his approach.You bid 4 Heart to make opposite around 1 trick from partner. So why shouldn`t he bid 6 with 3 tricks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 Your partners fault. In 4. hand you do not preempt, you bid to make. He MUST bid 5 ♦ after 4 NT, which should show a real good hand for HEarts and a diamond control and nothing in clubs. His pass and then 5 Heart bid showed something like xxx,QJxx,xxx,xxx (well maybe a little more..) I think a direct 6 Heart bid from him is MUCH better then his approach.You bid 4 Heart to make opposite around 1 trick from partner. So why shouldn`t he bid 6 with 3 tricks? Why would partner bid 5♦ to show the diamond control and not 4♠ to show the spade control? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 Tough to bid 4S over a 4N overcall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 Tough to bid 4S over a 4N overcall So true - whoops I still had my mind on the opening post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 If you bid 4H you sometimes miss slam. Far more often though they let you play in 4H while they would have competed in spades if you opened 1H. In the long run 4H is probably the winner. This kind of postmortem talking by the rest of your team is called "resulting". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted April 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 Bonus question: Who would have had a bid , 2nd position holding this: A9xxQJxxAxxxx With 2 Aces and both majors I have a tough time finding the pass card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 Bonus question: Who would have had a bid , 2nd position holding this: A9xxQJxxAxxxx With 2 Aces and both majors I have a tough time finding the pass card. Even playing standard (as opposed to 2/1) I would have passed: The hand is borderline at best. Plus, I really dislike opening 3 card diamond suits... I consider it much more attractive to open 1C on A9xxQJxxxxAxx than 1D on A9xxQJxxAxxxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 Bonus question: Who would have had a bid , 2nd position holding this: A9xxQJxxAxxxx With 2 Aces and both majors I have a tough time finding the pass card. I pass this it really is only a 11 HCP 4432 hand and I won't often have too much trouble finding a 4-4 fit if PD has much. Make an x in both majors suits the T and I'll open or give me one T in a major or even ♦ and 4♦ and I'll open. As it is, I am a bit light and openin a 3 card ♦ suit, so I'll pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 Your initial 4♥ in 4th seat shows what you have (at least to me) An almost certain 9 tricks with long ♥ and too weak to open 2♣ and wanting some preeemptive effect. Your PD's pass over 4NT is very poor and he should flash slam interest as well as support, unless he's planning on doubling either minor, which he obviously wasn't. I have found that in most casual partnerships, opening preemptively in 4th seat in interpretted by PD as a normal good preempt ! They just don't seem to undertstand that you have extra strength and expect good chances to make. With that in mind, your PD would do well to learn to see beyond the end of his nose and realize that things in bridge have evolved over the decades. If he paused to think why you opened 4♥ rather than 1♥ or passing the hand out, he'll see that his hand is tremendous for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 Bonus question: Who would have had a bid , 2nd position holding this: A9xxQJxxAxxxx With 2 Aces and both majors I have a tough time finding the pass card. Even playing standard (as opposed to 2/1) I would have passed: The hand is borderline at best. Plus, I really dislike opening 3 card diamond suits... I consider it much more attractive to open 1C on A9xxQJxxxxAxx than 1D on A9xxQJxxAxxxx In general I think these type of things are overrated, I doubt if you were to compare the results of opening 1D with the first hand and 1C with the second hand you would see very much imp difference over a significant sample (like less than .01 per hand), but I could be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 Hi, it is either 2C or 4H, either could work. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 I don't have a strong opinion on opening that hand. For you Kathryn it is probably good practice to pass! :) With Arend I'd open but as awm likes to point out, we don't play standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuroth Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 4♥ The postmortem tells me that 3 people at the table thought that 4H was preemptive in 4th seat. I would have passed with partner's hand, and bid 6H over 4, though maybe I'd show my aces if it wasn't a pickup partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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