kfay Posted April 3, 2008 Report Share Posted April 3, 2008 [hv=d=n&v=e&s=sq10xxh10xdkq9xxxcx]133|100|Scoring: MP1♣-(5♣)-?[/hv] Partner opens 1♣! 15+ HCP artificial and RHO makes the little-seen unfavorable jump to 5-of-a-minor at MPs. What are your options here in your system? What's your bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted April 3, 2008 Report Share Posted April 3, 2008 RHO bid 5♣ r/w? Wow. When I played strong club, we played a forcing pass over preempts 4♣ and higher. Double showed weakness, pass showed values and no direction, and bids were forcing. Playing this, this looks like a double. I don't think its good enough for a FP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted April 3, 2008 Report Share Posted April 3, 2008 I too, play forcing passes here, BUT FP announces Spade tolerance/fit. Here that's what I do. Switch S/H, then X. I think this is good enough to remove partner's X to 5D, hope 15+ is all outside clubs with 3xA and he slams, or 2xA with 5D/5S on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted April 3, 2008 Report Share Posted April 3, 2008 I definitely don't play forcing passes in this situation, and I think it's a clear 5♦ bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted April 3, 2008 Report Share Posted April 3, 2008 5♦, total guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted April 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2008 The first thing I thought when I held this hand was 'I want to defend 5♣X'. Nobody shares those sentiments? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted April 3, 2008 Report Share Posted April 3, 2008 Who is RHO? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted April 3, 2008 Report Share Posted April 3, 2008 The first thing I thought when I held this hand was 'I want to defend 5♣X'. Nobody shares those sentiments? We know so little about partner's hand and partner knows so little about ours it is very unilateral and a misleading description to double with no trump tricks and 6-4-2-1 distribution. Possibly double would not even be penalties in many partnerships. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted April 3, 2008 Report Share Posted April 3, 2008 double, card-showing, partner should pull with a shapely hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 For a unfavorable vul bid, surely that 5C bid can take 9 tricks with clubs as trumps. That leaves little for partner to have in clubs, if anything. Thus I'd bid 5♦ - a X is misleading, as partner is VERY likely to have everything else in the other suits; that is, AK spades, AK hearts and A diamonds. In fact, I'd prefer to bid 6♦ rather than X! NB: The above assumes that the opps bid rationally..... <_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 Thus I'd bid 5♦ - a X is misleading, as partner is VERY likely to have everything else in the other suits; that is, AK spades, AK hearts and AK diamonds. I'm pretty sure partner does not have AK of diamonds. I am leaning towards six diamonds, but will bid at least five... i echo the "who is RHO". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 6♦? On an unexceptional 7 count opposite 15+? We could easily be down in 5♦, although I don't mind bidding that. Why does partner need every AK outside clubs for his 15+, doesn't LHO exist? Or instead of 9 tricks why can't RHO have, gasp, 10 or 11? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 We played fp at the 5 level. Agree with Phil, would pass here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted April 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 The first thing I thought when I held this hand was 'I want to defend 5♣X'. Nobody shares those sentiments? We know so little about partner's hand and partner knows so little about ours it is very unilateral and a misleading description to double with no trump tricks and 6-4-2-1 distribution. Possibly double would not even be penalties in many partnerships. Double isn't penalty for us. But bidding 5♦ sure isn't for penalty either, is what I'm saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zasanya Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 5♦.Always believe your vulnerable opponent. :P How does it matter who is RHO?If RHO has his bid P wont have enough to move over 5♦.If RHO doesnt have his bid P may have enough to bid slam or LHO's tank will alert us <_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 5 Diamond no matter who RHO is. If I can show this hand via pass and pull- like Ron and Phil, this would be nice. But I don't have this agreement, so I "have to" make some noise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 double, card-showing, partner should pull with a shapely hand. Agree. I don't consider this particularely close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 In my experience opps will not bid an unfavorable 5♣ over a strong club unless they're reasonably sure 5♣x will be good for them, and I'm certainly inclined to believe them on this hand. Actually a 4♣ bid over a strong club can be just as/more annoying than a 5♣ bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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