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On the auction below, what is your rebid? (bonus question, how happy are you about it?)  

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  1. 1. On the auction below, what is your rebid? (bonus question, how happy are you about it?)

    • 2 Clubs
      22
    • 2 Hearts
      2
    • 2 NT
      7
    • 3 Clubs
      0
    • 3 Hearts
      14
    • Somethings Else (specify)
      0
    • I would have opened something else (specify)
      0
    • I don't know.
      3

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awm

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I'm pretty sure 2♣ is the normal bid. The hand is too good for a 2♥ rebid but the suit is not sufficient for 3♥. If partner doesn't pass 2♣ you are in pretty good shape (can raise a 2♥ preference or 2♠ rebid to three and obviously you are happy if partner game forces or makes an invitational bid).

 

Second choice 2NT.

 

Obviously a great hand for 2♣ Gazzilli rebid. :)

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dcvetkov

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I think choises are 2NT, 3H and fake 2c

 

I really, hate 3H with this suit.. Partner will expect better suit and 3NT could easily fall apart if heart do not produce enough tricks quickly

 

I can live with 2NT, but I agree wih adam 2C, although there is some risk of missing a game. On a side note, it is better to give chance partner to bid NT if possible, something tells me he needs to declarer NT ( lead coming to his probable queens in spades and diamonds)/

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jdonn

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2♣ is totally normal. If partner doesn't pass you are definitely well placed, and if he does pass you could as easily be doing well as badly. I don't understand this great fear of partner passing. If he does then aren't we probably in a better contract than 2NT or 3♥? In fact contrary to awm I feel 2♣ is a better bid if you are NOT playing gazilli (I admit I've never played it).
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Fluffy

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Agree with jdonn, I have been playing since forever that 15-17 balanced hand rebid a 3 card minor then bid 2NT, I never played a bad contract in 2m.

 

2♥ is also reasonable, and 3♥... well that's what I would teach beginners to bid, so it shouldn't be that bad :P.

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mikeh

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2N 100, 2♥ 80, 2♣ 70, 3♥20

 

I could be talked into reversing the scores for 2♥ and 2♣ :D

 

2N is the value bid

 

2♥ represents the value of the hand for hearts

 

2♣ is better than 2♥ if we know partner is not passing with 5=1=4=3 8 counts, or the like, but 2♥ is almost certainly a better part score than is 2♣

 

3♥ is silly... it conveys a fundamentally distorted view of the hand. Now, a lot of non-experts tend to bid 3N over 3♥ on hands on which the better call is 4♥. If partner is one of those, then I can stomach 3♥ a little more... it is a misbid, but partner will usually misbid in response, and so maybe the misbids will cancel out :P

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jdonn

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2N 100, 2♥ 80, 2♣ 70, 3♥20

 

I could be talked into reversing the scores for 2♥ and 2♣ :D

 

2N is the value bid

 

2♥ represents the value of the hand for hearts

 

2♣ is better than 2♥ if we know partner is not passing with 5=1=4=3 8 counts, or the like, but 2♥ is almost certainly a better part score than is 2♣

 

3♥ is silly... it conveys a fundamentally distorted view of the hand. Now, a lot of non-experts tend to bid 3N over 3♥ on hands on which the better call is 4♥. If partner is one of those, then I can stomach 3♥ a little more... it is a misbid, but partner will usually misbid in response, and so maybe the misbids will cancel out :P

Doesn't your analysis sort of ignore that you are bidding 2♥ on a decent 17 count?

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Guest Jlall

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BTW I think 2N is better than 2C because:

 

1) There are a lot of hands that partner would pass 2C with but would raise 2N to 3N with such as 51(34) with 7/8 or 5143 9 counts. I would much rather be in 3N on these hands even though it might not be cold.

 

2) The main advantage of 2C is finding 6-2 heart fits, but I don't know if that's such a good thing. I'm not really unhappy playing 3N with 6-2 heart fits rather than 4H.

 

3) If we bid 2C then over 2M raising to 3M is an underbid, and partner will evaluate something like xxx clubs incorrectly as cherdano pointed out. I think in general partner will do a better job evaluating over a 2N rebid than after 2C then 3M.

 

4) If we have a slam I would rather have rebid 2N than 2C, since I will end up distorting my hand way more having rebid 2C.

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mikeh

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2N 100, 2♥ 80, 2♣ 70, 3♥20

 

I could be talked into reversing the scores for 2♥ and 2♣ :D

 

2N is the value bid

 

2♥ represents the value of the hand for hearts

 

2♣ is better than 2♥ if we know partner is not passing with 5=1=4=3 8 counts, or the like, but 2♥ is almost certainly a better part score than is 2♣

 

3♥ is silly... it conveys a fundamentally distorted view of the hand. Now, a lot of non-experts tend to bid 3N over 3♥ on hands on which the better call is 4♥. If partner is one of those, then I can stomach 3♥ a little more... it is a misbid, but partner will usually misbid in response, and so maybe the misbids will cancel out :P

Doesn't your analysis sort of ignore that you are bidding 2♥ on a decent 17 count?

no

 

no call is 'right', altho 2N is better, imo, than anything else. Both 2♥ and 2♣ are significant distortions. 2♣ distorts both of my suit lengths, but can contain hands of this strength. 2♥ is accurate on shape and a big strength distortion. For me, and I said I might be persuaded otherwise, the two shape distortions are about equal to and maybe bigger, in aggregate, than the one strength distortion. Besides, this is a poor(ish) 17 precisely because my hcp are primarily outside my suit. Of course, that makes 2N a bit more of an overbid... no bid is perfect, and the 100 I 'awarded' 2N isn't supposed to say that it is.

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jdonn

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I see, sorry I had misread the part comparing 2♣ and 2♥.

 

All I can say about 2NT is I used to do that, and changed purely based on my experience. It happened several times in a row that we got to 3NT when we belonged in a 6-2 major suit fit. Whatever problems people cite with 2♣ seem theoretical to me since none of them have ever happened to me. Maybe I'm just that lucky.

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whereagles

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3♥ is silly... it conveys a fundamentally distorted view of the hand.

I'll bite. 3♥ shows 15-17 hcp and a 6 card suit, which, last time I checked, seems to be exactly what we have. Ok so the suit isn't that great. So what? Anything else would convey a much more distorted picture of the hand:

 

2♣ = 11-17 and at least 5-4. Has nothing to do with what I have, unless it's gazilli.

2♥ = usually 11 to bad 15, so definitely a serious underbid.

2NT = 18-19 5332. Liveable, though 1 hcp short and 1 heart longer.

 

So, in my opinion, and in your style of writting, anything BUT 3♥ is silly, 2NT being the least silliness.

 

I've said this many time, but I'll repeat. Shape & strength are far more important than tertiary stuff like placement of hcps.

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