rogerclee Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 Matchpoints, Red vs White, Third Seat ♠xxx ♥JTxx ♦KTx ♣Qxx 1♣ - (1♠) - P - (2♥)3♦ - (3♥) - ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 ♦ AQ ♣ AK is only 13 hcp. Partner will have this much at the very least and at least six clubs and probably five or more diamonds - I can't actually imagine a hand without five diamonds bidding this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 Obvious 5♣ bid. If pard has more shape than strength, they're cold for 4M. I think the real problem will come if they bid 5M.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 five Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted April 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 I can't actually imagine a hand without five diamonds bidding this way. This is really the point, I think. I wasn't sure at the table if partner had to be 6-5 to bid this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 I might make a cuebid, if that didn't show diamonds instead of clubs, 5 clubs and I think I am getting short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 I can't actually imagine a hand without five diamonds bidding this way. 1 ♣ denies 5 diamond for me, I can only imagine hands without 5 diamonds :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 I would probably bid 4♥. The only risk is that partner will think that I had a penalty pass of 1♠. Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 Disenfranchised again. I don't think 5♣ is enough with this. Partner could easily have Ax - AQJxx AKJxxx or similar. I bid 3♠ followed by 5♣, to show a strong raise. 3♠ can't promise spade control, because I didn't bid 1NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 I think this really depends on your methods after 2 ♥.What had X been? What 2 NT? Maybe X was 4144?2 NT 6+4+? Then pd has surely 5 Diamonds and 6+ Clubs and a 5 Club bid is it. What if he plays a kind of good/bad 2 NT? Then 3 ♦ had shown a lesser hand then 2 NT with the same shape. In this case you should be more careful. (But this approach is surely not common treatment in this situation). Obvoisuly everybody knows that his pd had bid 2 NT with any 6/4 or even 5/4 hand, so 5 Club is clear cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 5 happy clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 5♣ is fine, but 4♥ may send the right message too if we have 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 You hold: xAAQJxAKJ10xxx the auction starts 1C (1S) P (2H)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 You hold: xAAQJxAKJ10xxx the auction starts 1C (1S) P (2H)? I would cue 3♥. 3♦ is non-forcing IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 With 4-6 or 4-7 opener would bid double or bid 2NT. I think 2NT shows a more offensive hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 You hold: xAAQJxAKJ10xxx the auction starts 1C (1S) P (2H)?I agree (I think I am agreeing) that this is a hand that might well choose 3♦. There would seem to be a LOT of bidding by the opps on a combined 15 count, but that happens. However, 5♣ by partner should allow this hand to bid slam with confidence... partner clearly has a hand that has grown up after our 3♦ call.. it would astound me if he didn't have the diamond King... he might not have the club Q, but he'll have xxxx or better if he doesn't. As for Fluffy, whose partner can't have 5 diamonds, all I can say is 'wow'. While freaks are rare, why not allow oneself at least a chance of showing one's shape? x void Axxxx AKJxxxx... you really mean you HAVE to open 1♦?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 Matchpoints, Red vs White, Third Seat ♠xxx ♥JTxx ♦KTx ♣Qxx1♣ - (1♠) - P - (2♥)3♦ - (3♥) - ?IMO 5♣ = 10, 3♠ = 6, 4♣ = 4.5♣ seems the simple practical bid. IMO 3♠ would show a stronger hand like♠ x ♥ xxx ♦Kxxxxx ♣Kxx I agree with Frances that partner is likely to have a limited 6-5 (non-forcing). With - 5-4, he might bid X, - 6-4, he might bid 3N. - a mountain, he could cue-bid 3♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 I agree with the 5C call. I was just (trying to) come up with a hand that bids 3D without 5 of them. Anyway, I'm glad someone has already mentioned that 3D isn't forcing. Join the ranks of the limit bidders! I had a hand a while ago which unfortunately I can't entirely remember but partner bid 4D on this type of auction (1C 1S P 3S 4D I think) with 4-7 in the minors including AKQx of diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 5♣ and I feel like I'm underbidding. I want to bid 4NT if it were what I want it to be (you know what I mean.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 Agree that partner could be 4-7, I would bid 5♣ now and I think that's fairly clear. It is true that we might bid it on a slightly weaker hand but cuebidding suggests more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 5♣ and I feel like I'm underbidding. I want to bid 4NT if it were what I want it to be (you know what I mean.) I think we have to be a bit careful on the 'underbidding' side of it. Yes, it's a nice hand and we're all agreed we want to bid game. But we need to consider what we could have had to pass 1S. What would you have done over 1S on xxxAxxKxxxxxx? or even xxxxxxKQxxQxx in particular, if you are raising diamonds (which I know we aren't here) we could have passed 1S looking at xxxxxKxxxxxAx so I don't think we're worth any _more_ than game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 Does no one else negative double at their first turn? I was debating how I would view the auction differently (if at all) given a negative double in the first round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 5♣, wtp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 I think we have to be a bit careful on the 'underbidding' side of it. Yes, it's a nice hand and we're all agreed we want to bid game. Showing a good raise to 5♣ doesn't commit us to slam. Opener's 3♦ has quite a wide range, so I think we should try to cater for both a minimum and a maximum. With ♥A and a minor suit honour, I would bid 4♥. The examples you give that contain a singleton heart seem unlikely given the bidding, but in any case the singleton would be worthless unless partner were 0=2=5=6, which I think would be hard to diagnose given the shortage of space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 5♣ for me. Partner most probably will raise if slam is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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