goobers Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 1H - (1S) - 1N - (2S)p - (p) - x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 BLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 About as penalty as they come Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goobers Posted April 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 What if I told you your hand was AJx A9xxx Kx xxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 What if I told you your hand was AJx A9xxx Kx xxx Then I'd tell you that they're likely in a seven, or even a six card fit (overcalled with 4, raised with Qx). I don't require my partner to have four trump for a penalty X here. If I had a singleton spade, I'd either do something over the 2♠ call or I'd find something to do here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 What if I told you your hand was AJx A9xxx Kx xxx Unless I had serious trust issues with my partner, I would assume LHO overcalled on a crappy 4-card suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 What if I told you your hand was AJx A9xxx Kx xxx The meaning of a bid does not depend on a specific hand you hold. But to answer your question: The meaning of 1S depends on the meaning of 1NT.It is certainly standard, at least in North America and here in Germany, that the 1 NT bid promises a stopperin their suit, but it is also possible to play 1 NT as simplypoint showng, espesially in a weal NT context. So if the 1 NT bid promised a stopper, the X at leastsuggest a penalty, i.e. the double is at least optionalwith your hand, partners may look like Kx, and overcallerlooked at Qxxxx in spades and got raised too 2S with xxxin spades. If it did not, than one could still play the X as t/o, althoughit should show maximum. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 Dbl = max 1NT, likely to have 1 spade trick, unwilling to sell out. i.e. what they call a "competitive" or "optional" dbl. Pure penalty it is NOT because with that hand pard would have passed 1♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 Penalties, usually exactly four trumps / two+ trump tricks. If I had AJx Axxxx Kx xxx I would assume LHO has done something amusing. I once got a 1700 penalty on the auction 1C 1S 1NT 2S x when LHO thought a 1S overcall on Axx would add a bit of spice to the auction, as that double was 'take-out' he was hoping it wouldn't end the auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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