Orla Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 We are in the throes of discussion of what to respond when opps double our opening bid of 1m. I posted this hand a while back that my partner redoubled opps' double♠ 10 9 7 6 3♥ K 5♦ Q 7♣ A Q 8 2 I say P should have bid his spades, and some agree and some don't. So, what is right and what is wrong? What does P bid if holding: A.) the same shape with fewer points and a 5-card suit:♠ 10 9 7 6 3♥ K 5♦ 8 7♣ A 9 8 2 B.) Same points (10+), no 5-card suit. ♠ K 7 6 3♥ 10 9 5♦ Q 7♣ A Q 8 2 C.) Fewer points, no 5-card suit.♠ 10 7 6 3♥ 10 9 5♦ Q 7♣ A 10 8 2 We are still searching for something we can agree on. The thing is, we have to decide on something consistent and this is where our problem lies. Are there any hard and fast rules of when to pass and when to bid? Hope I have not made the question too complicated :) rla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 The easiest style is never to use the redouble but simply bid as if RHO passed instead of doubled. I'm sure a business redouble can be a useful tool if you have clear agreements about the follow-ups, but it's too complicated for me. You start with a redouble, then introduce a suit in the next round. Does it promise a 5-card or can it be 4? Is it forcing? Suppose doublers partner bids something and opener passes. Is the pass forcing? If so, is it stronger or weaker than a bid? Does the pass only show strength (or weakness?) or does it also show a somewhat balanced hand? If doubler's partner passes and p now bids a new suit, is it now Walsh style or can it still be balanced? Etc etc. If you just make your normal bid, you proceed according to your normal system and you know what partner's calls mean. If you want to play business redoubles (which is reasonable since it is standard so you should expect pick-up partners to play them) then B is a hand suitable for a redouble if p opens 1♦. You might be interested in defending 1♥ or 1♠ doubled. The other hands don't qualify. With a 5-card spades and doubleton hearts it is too unlikely that defending 1♥ doubled will be good. Just bid your spades while you still can at the 1-level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 For regular and advanced partnerships you should built up a partnership agreement around transfer advances and some other nice stuff. But you don't need it. I would recommend: pass: no bid possible, no fit, no suit1 of a suit: Normaly a 5 card suit, 8+ HCps forcing1 NT: Nat 8-102 non jump: Construictive but non-forcing2 jump: weak jump 6+ cards, 4-7 HCPs.2 NT: invitational or better with Fit.Raises: PreemptiveXX: The wish to penalisze them in at least two suits and no biddable own suit. In your examples: After 1 Club from Pd I had bid 1 Spade in A, XX in B, and 2 Club in C After 1 Diamond from PD I had redoubled in A (I won´t introduce the spade with no sure other fit, maybe I will do it later to show a long but weak suit in a good hand)I had of course a XX in B (Textbook) and pass in C. For the use of a redouble you need one more clear udnerstanding: What is 1 Diamond X pass pass XX? Better be sure that both play it as SOS, else you will play some horrible contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orla Posted March 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 I will make the question more simple. Generally:What do you do after opponents have doubled (for take-out) your partner's opening bid? What are the guidelines? With few points, with many points, with a long suit of your own but few points, etc etc? After opps double Partner's opening bid:Redouble is one bid. But what does it mean? Does it mean:a.) I have points but no suit?b.) I have a suit and points, but want to show points before suit?c.) anything else? After opps double Partner's opening bid:Bidding a suit is one bid. What does it mean?Does this promise:a.) 4/5 of the suit?b.) few points? :) rla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 I would bid 1♠ on all of your hands. With 10+ you have the option of a redouble but you get to double them so seldom I think it usually pays to bid a suit at the one level if you can. After 1♦ (or higher) and double by the opponents if you play that a new suit at the two-level is not forcing which I believe is standard then redouble would be used to show a strong hand with a lower ranking long suit. Redouble should not have a fit for opener. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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