Cascade Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 Would if I could, but can't open 4D as that is Namyats. 5D for me.Disagree strongly with Wayne - I believe pre empts should be wide ranging, not so strictly defined. It makes you too predicatable. I guess that depends exactly what you mean by wide-ranging means. There has to be some compromise between wide-ranging and clearly defined. Especially when you are vulnerable wide-ranging doesn't seem to me to work. If we are wide-ranging and too high we risk a large penalty and if we are wide-ranging and too low we miss a big bonus. Obviously wide-ranging works much better when not vulnerable - we lose less when we miss the boat in either direction. I think our style is far from predictable. We play aggressive five or six-card weak twos in the major nominally around 5-10 hcp. We do not have formal suit quality requirements although I wouldn't describe our style as suicidal when vulnerable. We are willing to open seven card-suits when the hand is not good enough for a weak three. We frequently open six-card suits three of a minor and sometimes three of a major. Again our range is nominally 5-10 (maybe 9 more practically at the upper limit). We are willing to open pre-empts with side majors, voids etc. Yes our range is defined. At the two level that is wider ranging than at the five-level. But I do not think that makes unacceptably predictable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SchTsch Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 Disagree strongly with Wayne - I believe pre empts should be wide ranging, not so strictly defined. It makes you too predicatable. And your predictability will help your opponents in their high level decisions? Don't think so. In 1st and 2nd position I prefer strictly defined preempts. Of course, deviations are possible but your partner will always act according to your strict definitions. Of course, if you are willing to take your chance you can preempt with a gristle, it is not forbidden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 I agree that well defined preempts are not more predictable than wider range. After all, the opponent have no information on what partner has. However, they do make preempts rarer and I hate it when my opponents preempt a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 I agree that well defined preempts are not more predictable than wider range. After all, the opponent have no information on what partner has. However, they do make preempts rarer and I hate it when my opponents preempt a lot. We used to lower the standards for our favourable vulnerable pre-empts so that they were complete rubbish. This seems to be a common style but it is certainly not based on frequency. We have subsequently made the top end of these favourable vulnerability pre-empts more like the top end of our equal vulnerable pre-empts. We do allow a lower limit thus increasing the frequency of these pre-empts at the cost of losing some definition. The fact is that the most frequent ranges are around 9-10 hcp not the rubbish that we used to have to wait for to bid on. As an example for a 6-3-3-1 hand the most frequent ranges are: 2 point 9-10 hcp 0.1996691373 point 9-11 hcp 0.2951530874 point 8-11 hcp 0.3871290395 point 8-12 hcp 0.4730654716-point 7-12 hcp 0.5541136747-point 7-13 hcp 0.6272052468-point 6-13 hcp 0.691592655 by comparison 0-5 hands occur only 0.123373847 of the time. Say we play 6-9 pre-empt this means we achieve similar increases in frequency by changing the range to 6-10 (one extra point) and 3-9 (three extra points). We don't get many players saying "we are not vulnerable lets bring some ten-counts into our pre-empts to increase the frequency". If frequency were the only aim then narrower ranges around 9-10 hcp would be more effective than wider lower ranges around. Perhaps Fantoni-Nunes have completely the right idea with their intermediate twos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 29, 2008 Report Share Posted March 29, 2008 "And your predictability will help your opponents in their high level decisions? Don't think so." No, I totally agree with you, I don't think it will help the opponents either. That is precisely why I like wide ranging pre empts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchTsch Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 "And your predictability will help your opponents in their high level decisions? Don't think so." No, I totally agree with you, I don't think it will help the opponents either. That is precisely why I like wide ranging pre empts. Yes but predictability will help your partner to make a right decision when needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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