han Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 All red, IMPs. A98xAKxxAKQJx 1C - 1H2S - 3S?? No special agreements, agree with your bidding to date? Now what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 def agree with our bidding so far, a good question for this auction is which bids (if any) confirm a 4 card spade suit of: 3N4C4H You could argue that any of these bids could include a fake jump shift (4H especially sounds like 3316). Anyways, 4D would clearly be a good hand with 4 spades which in context of a jump shift should be a very strong hand so that seems clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 For me 3S doesnt show extras but tend to deny a club fit. But anyway 4D seems clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 The good thing about fake jump shifts is that you can describe some really akward hands. The bad thing is that you sometimes have trouble with bred and butter hands. In my enviroment, 2 Spade shows 4+ Spades, so 3 Spade is a clear fit and SI.I bid 3 NT if I play it as serious here. If I don't have this, I just try 4 Club as a cuebid with any european player and any average american and 4 NT with any expert yank who had taken my 2 Spade as a possible fake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 We never make a fake jump shift. Perhaps never is an overbid but i can't think of the hand. We would normally raise with 3♠ - 4♠ would show real rubbish and no side control. Here I bid 4♣ serious interest. 3NT would show frivilous slam interest. In this context since 2♠ is limited a cue just some extra values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Maybe in the US this isn't so, but in Europe pard's 3♠ is a strong bid. So, 4NT. Intend to bid 7 if all keys are there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 If partner has 5 hearts we will often play better in clubs or hearts than spades. But I don't know how to find it. I would start with 4♣, but keeping in mind that I must take control of the hand to be able to suggest a heart contract rather than spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 4NT for me as well. As an aside, I might fake reverse 2♦, but never 2♠ if I have that other option. 3NT would be serious, and other calls cues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 4NT Difficult to see partner taking the initiative with all the cards I'm holding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 The danger here, of course, is avoiding spades when he is something like Kxxx QJxxx Ax xx (for grand) or Jxxx QJxxx Ax xx (for small). Keycard cannot help us. It tells us nothing about the heart suit and, on the 2nd example, we can't tell if he holds the diamond Ace or the spade King. I like the reasoning behind Justin's 4♦, but can't see how it helps us with the ultimate issues... and I doubt that partner will ever realize that Qxxxx in hearts is wonderful news if our 1st 3 bids are clubs, spades and diamonds, no matter that diamonds will be suspect. I think we have to bid 4♥. This is a lot easier for me than for some others, since I would not fake a jump reverse... 3=3=1=6 is ugly, but put me down for 2♦ rather than 2♠. 2♦ should always be suspect, and by overloading it a tad, we preserve the integrity of the major. So, for me, 4♥ announces a 4=3=1=5 19+ (or extraordinary 18), which is what I have. I don't think this is chameleon bidding (where the meaning of the sequence changes to fit the hand I hold), but I confess I've never had this auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 The danger here, of course, is avoiding spades when he is something like Kxxx QJxxx Ax xx (for grand) or Jxxx QJxxx Ax xx (for small). Keycard cannot help us. It tells us nothing about the heart suit and, on the 2nd example, we can't tell if he holds the diamond Ace or the spade King. I like the reasoning behind Justin's 4♦, but can't see how it helps us with the ultimate issues... and I doubt that partner will ever realize that Qxxxx in hearts is wonderful news if our 1st 3 bids are clubs, spades and diamonds, no matter that diamonds will be suspect. I think we have to bid 4♥. This is a lot easier for me than for some others, since I would not fake a jump reverse... 3=3=1=6 is ugly, but put me down for 2♦ rather than 2♠. 2♦ should always be suspect, and by overloading it a tad, we preserve the integrity of the major. So, for me, 4♥ announces a 4=3=1=5 19+ (or extraordinary 18), which is what I have. I don't think this is chameleon bidding (where the meaning of the sequence changes to fit the hand I hold), but I confess I've never had this auction. I'm with Mike on this one. After playing for 30+ years I haven't made a fake jump reverse 2♠, and I believe I never will. So I've promised 4c♠ here. Btw, 4♥ should annonce that we're heading for slam. Thus partner can KC for hearts or return to spades and let me KC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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