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Tomi2

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Hi,

 

X, but if you really think you may miss a

slam, bid 6D.

 

Pass is certainly nonforcing, 4S did not

promise any value at all.

 

For that matter, the delayed raise to 5H

sounds more like, they intend to make 5H,

looking at your hand, you know this is

not the case, but partner doess not know

your hand.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

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Pass is not forcing (duh!) and I would bid 5NT and correct clubs to diamonds. I hope that partner takes this as choice of slams rather than a grand slam try. Well, if partner takes it as a grand slam try then he won't bid a grand so it's fairly safe.

 

I'd rather bid 6D than 6S if I had to choose but I prefer not to.

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I think 6 is fine. Pass is not forcing. Unlike Han, I think 5NT is a grand slam try. If I just wanted to play 6, I would've bid 6 over 4. As usual I think double-then-bid is a flexible hand and not a strong one-suiter. If partner has 5 and 0-1, or has any hand with 6+, then I expect partner to pull to 6.
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Pass is not forcing (duh!) and I would bid 5NT and correct clubs to diamonds. I hope that partner takes this as choice of slams rather than a grand slam try. Well, if partner takes it as a grand slam try then he won't bid a grand so it's fairly safe.

 

I'd rather bid 6D than 6S if I had to choose but I prefer not to.

couldnt we bid 6 as grandslam try now?

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thx for all replies

 

partner had something like

Jxxxxx

x

Kxx

xxx

 

but since dias were 1-3 6!D fails while you win 7 spades

 

seems my idea to bid a forcing pass here was not the best one :)

We both have the K, which makes it a little difficult to understand why 6 was failing...

 

In general, with this shape I would bid 6, but here I want partner to pull with Jxxxx xx xx xxxx, so I don't think "I have shown a flexible hand" will be sufficient to win the post-mortem.

More to the point, when I bid 5N and 6, partner will pull to 6 more often than over a direct 6, and when he pulls I am sure we will be in the right spot. In fact, he still won't pull often enough given that his spade suit probably doesn't contain any of the top honors (who knows for sure with two diamond kings though).

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Wow. Pard doesn't pass our double of 4?

 

I'm expecting some spade length over there unless pard is the type to pull the double with some 4234 weak hand.

 

I'm thinking about a grand here. I think I like 5N. If pard shows some spade length, 7 seems odds on. I count about 1/2 a loser.

 

I'm also confused about the K.

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I knew that most wont play forcing pass here but for me i see no reason why it isnt FP.

 

My "balancing"X at 4H says that im ready to play 4X if partner had a zero count with 4333, so im also ready to play 5X too. For me 5Nt is pick a slam and pass & pull is the strongest slam try, so pass followed by 5Nt is describing my hand pretty well.

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Pass is not forcing. I don't understand the rampant enthusiasm to bid a slam when partner could have nothing. I x

You could easily make a slam opposite nothing, such as xxxxx xx xx xxxx which is on two 3-2 breaks (or stiff diamond queen). And after all, he could have something too! Assuming he is a working yarb is the height of pessimism. In fact I'm having trouble imagining a 4 bid which doesn't give at least fair play at some slam. Not saying it can't be done, but a lot more give you play even if you just consider hands with 0 hcp (which again there is no reason to assume).

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Pass is not forcing. I don't understand the rampant enthusiasm to bid a slam when partner could have nothing. I x

You could easily make a slam opposite nothing, such as xxxxx xx xx xxxx which is on two 3-2 breaks (or stiff diamond queen).

Josh the most important thing about this example hand is that you are probably going to get to the 0 % slam unless you plan on bidding 6S yourself. Maybe you can construct another way to get to 6S but I don't think I'd be convinced.

 

I will totally agree with you that if I could always get to the right slam I would certainly bid one. However I think I will get to the wrong one an obscene amount of time.

 

Josh the other most important thing about this example hand to me is that I hope you realize despite our argument the other day that two 3-2 breaks on this auction is probably in the range of 5-10%. I do not expect to get good splits.

 

I really think that Xing 5H has enough going for it that I am willing to do it.

 

Oh, and Josh I do realize your point was that if 0 HCP hands provide play for slam there must be merit in bidding slam, I just thought that your example illustrated two points in favor of not bidding slam.

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Oh, and Josh I do realize your point was that if 0 HCP hands provide play for slam there must be merit in bidding slam, I just thought that your example illustrated two points in favor of not bidding slam.

Sorry next time I'll go with xxxxxx xx xx xxx :)

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