Tomi2 Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 bidding goes: (4♥) - p - (p) - X(p) - 4♠ - (5♥) - ?? is pass here forcing?does vuln. change this? actual we were red/red what is your bid with: AKQAAKJxxxAxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 Here, 6♠ I probably would have bid a simple 6♦ on the first round. EDIT: And, no, pass over 5♥ isn't forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 I doubt that this is forcing at an vulnerability. You can agree that this is forcing vulnerable vs not, but partner might still pass a forcing bid with nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 Hi, X, but if you really think you may miss a slam, bid 6D. Pass is certainly nonforcing, 4S did not promise any value at all. For that matter, the delayed raise to 5Hsounds more like, they intend to make 5H,looking at your hand, you know this isnot the case, but partner doess not knowyour hand. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 Pass is not forcing here. I'm bidding 6♦ now. Partner can take this out to 6♠ occasionally (not often). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 Pass is not forcing (duh!) and I would bid 5NT and correct clubs to diamonds. I hope that partner takes this as choice of slams rather than a grand slam try. Well, if partner takes it as a grand slam try then he won't bid a grand so it's fairly safe. I'd rather bid 6D than 6S if I had to choose but I prefer not to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 I think 6♦ is fine. Pass is not forcing. Unlike Han, I think 5NT is a grand slam try. If I just wanted to play 6♦, I would've bid 6♦ over 4♥. As usual I think double-then-bid is a flexible hand and not a strong one-suiter. If partner has 5♠ and 0-1♦, or has any hand with 6+♠, then I expect partner to pull to 6♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 I might try 5NT, following han's idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomi2 Posted March 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 Pass is not forcing (duh!) and I would bid 5NT and correct clubs to diamonds. I hope that partner takes this as choice of slams rather than a grand slam try. Well, if partner takes it as a grand slam try then he won't bid a grand so it's fairly safe. I'd rather bid 6D than 6S if I had to choose but I prefer not to. couldnt we bid 6♥ as grandslam try now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomi2 Posted March 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 thx for all replies partner had something likeJxxxxxxKxxxxx but since dias were 1-3 6!D fails while you win 7 spades seems my idea to bid a forcing pass here was not the best one :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 I hope my partner will think that I'm trying for a grand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 Pass is not forcing. I will bid a slam. We play 5NT as pick-a-slam. Failing that I bid 6♦ and hope that partner realizes I have a flexible hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 100 % non forcing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 What's your call Justin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 I would bid like han. 5NT should surely be a choice of slams rather than a grand try.Even though X+6♦ indicates some flexibility, I'll doubt that partner will correct this to spades often enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 thx for all replies partner had something likeJxxxxxxKxxxxx but since dias were 1-3 6!D fails while you win 7 spades seems my idea to bid a forcing pass here was not the best one :) We both have the ♦K, which makes it a little difficult to understand why 6♦ was failing... In general, with this shape I would bid 6♦, but here I want partner to pull with Jxxxx xx xx xxxx, so I don't think "I have shown a flexible hand" will be sufficient to win the post-mortem.More to the point, when I bid 5N and 6♦, partner will pull to 6♠ more often than over a direct 6♦, and when he pulls I am sure we will be in the right spot. In fact, he still won't pull often enough given that his spade suit probably doesn't contain any of the top honors (who knows for sure with two diamond kings though). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 6D. Nice if 5NT is pick a slam, but it wouldn't be for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 What's your call Justin? I would just X, I am not as keen as everyone else to go to slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Wow. Pard doesn't pass our double of 4♥? I'm expecting some spade length over there unless pard is the type to pull the double with some 4234 weak hand. I'm thinking about a grand here. I think I like 5N. If pard shows some spade length, 7 seems odds on. I count about 1/2 a loser. I'm also confused about the ♦K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 I knew that most wont play forcing pass here but for me i see no reason why it isnt FP. My "balancing"X at 4H says that im ready to play 4♥X if partner had a zero count with 4333, so im also ready to play 5♥X too. For me 5Nt is pick a slam and pass & pull is the strongest slam try, so pass followed by 5Nt is describing my hand pretty well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Pass is not forcing. I don't understand the rampant enthusiasm to bid a slam when partner could have nothing. I x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Pass is not forcing. I don't understand the rampant enthusiasm to bid a slam when partner could have nothing. I x You could easily make a slam opposite nothing, such as xxxxx xx xx xxxx which is on two 3-2 breaks (or stiff diamond queen). And after all, he could have something too! Assuming he is a working yarb is the height of pessimism. In fact I'm having trouble imagining a 4♠ bid which doesn't give at least fair play at some slam. Not saying it can't be done, but a lot more give you play even if you just consider hands with 0 hcp (which again there is no reason to assume). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Pass is not forcing. I don't understand the rampant enthusiasm to bid a slam when partner could have nothing. I x You could easily make a slam opposite nothing, such as xxxxx xx xx xxxx which is on two 3-2 breaks (or stiff diamond queen). Josh the most important thing about this example hand is that you are probably going to get to the 0 % slam unless you plan on bidding 6S yourself. Maybe you can construct another way to get to 6S but I don't think I'd be convinced. I will totally agree with you that if I could always get to the right slam I would certainly bid one. However I think I will get to the wrong one an obscene amount of time. Josh the other most important thing about this example hand to me is that I hope you realize despite our argument the other day that two 3-2 breaks on this auction is probably in the range of 5-10%. I do not expect to get good splits. I really think that Xing 5H has enough going for it that I am willing to do it. Oh, and Josh I do realize your point was that if 0 HCP hands provide play for slam there must be merit in bidding slam, I just thought that your example illustrated two points in favor of not bidding slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Oh and btw I think that good opponents are leading a club very often if you bid diamonds at any point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Oh, and Josh I do realize your point was that if 0 HCP hands provide play for slam there must be merit in bidding slam, I just thought that your example illustrated two points in favor of not bidding slam. Sorry next time I'll go with xxxxxx xx xx xxx :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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