gwnn Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 [hv=d=e&v=n&s=sk8xxhaxxdaxcaxxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP2♠-?[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 I know someone who would auto-pass this because it is aces and spaces and he is worried about going down 4 in 2NT vul. He is an idiot. Don't bid like him. 2N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 Guess you have to suck it up and bid 2N, Xing is a little weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 Our trick taking potential in NT really isn't that great, and we have excellent defense. If we pass there is a good chance that partner can reopen and that playing for a penalty is best. Still, it's red against white so I'll bid 2NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 I think we have to bid 2NT, its very very risky (your idiot isn't totally insane) but partner could just have Kxxxxx of clubs to make 3NT on a spade lead. Not that he would bid it, but just to show that the right nothing could make it easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 WTP? 2NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foo Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 ♠K8xx ♥Axx ♦Ax ♣Axxx (2♠)-?? Look at all those pretty controls. Close enough to a 16 count for me. 2N. Will it always work out? No. Will you get tagged every now and then? Yes. But you are going to miss a lot of games if you pass hands like this after a Weak Two. We rate to own the hand and GOP could easily have what you need to bring 3N or 4M home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 2N. The spade length makes it so RHO will have difficulty getting back in. LHO may smack on power, but they aren't running the spade suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 2NT for me. I did a quick simulation for this one too. Double dummy we were 48% for 9+ tricks in NTs opposite a random hand from partner without five hearts. A further 19% of the time we could make 8 tricks. 17% of the time were were down two or more so there is a danger of getting doubled. With five hearts we were 59% for 10+ tricks in hearts. Only 5% of the time were we down two or more in 3♥. These numbers strongly suggest bidding especially the good results when we can find a heart fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 Well I am going against the majority. Pass for me. This hand has no intermediates and no source of tricks. Sure it has excellent controls but from where are the tricks going to come? Wayne's simulations are a fata morgana. On hands where we have something, partner will have a balancing bid, and then we have an easy game bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 2NT WTP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 These numbers strongly suggest bidding especially the good results when we can find a heart fit. Why? These numbers are meaningless without numbers on how often we are shut out when we pass. What if 100 % of the hands where we make game partner is reopening, and when we can't make anything partner is passing? Obviously artificial premises, but hopefully you see my point. I think much more important are the numbers of how we do on hands where partner is passing out 2S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 This is really close for me. I'll bid 2NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 I woulda X'd, played the bleeding Moysian. I think you guys are right, though. I'll change my strategy on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 These numbers strongly suggest bidding especially the good results when we can find a heart fit. Why? These numbers are meaningless without numbers on how often we are shut out when we pass. What if 100 % of the hands where we make game partner is reopening, and when we can't make anything partner is passing? Obviously artificial premises, but hopefully you see my point. I think much more important are the numbers of how we do on hands where partner is passing out 2S. Yes I understand the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 These numbers strongly suggest bidding especially the good results when we can find a heart fit. Why? These numbers are meaningless without numbers on how often we are shut out when we pass. What if 100 % of the hands where we make game partner is reopening, and when we can't make anything partner is passing? Obviously artificial premises, but hopefully you see my point. I think much more important are the numbers of how we do on hands where partner is passing out 2S. I thought that was what I said! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 I'm a bidder here: 2NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 2NT I hope these x's are not all smaller then 8. If they are really all 2, 3 and 4's then I pass...maybe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 2NT I hope these x's are not all smaller then 8. If they are really all 2, 3 and 4's then I pass...maybe ?? they are all smaller than the 8 spot. if they hadn't been smaller than the 8, they would have been in front of the 8 no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 2NT I hope these x's are not all smaller then 8. If they are really all 2, 3 and 4's then I pass...maybe ?? they are all smaller than the 8 spot. if they hadn't been smaller than the 8, they would have been in front of the 8 no? I meant all x's. I would be more happy with eg ♣AT86 then with ♣A432 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 2NT I hope these x's are not all smaller then 8. If they are really all 2, 3 and 4's then I pass...maybe ?? they are all smaller than the 8 spot. if they hadn't been smaller than the 8, they would have been in front of the 8 no? I meant all x's. I would be more happy with eg ♣AT86 then with ♣A432 YES CSABA, ARE YOU SURE THE CLUBS AREN'T ♣AT98? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 Csaba please let us know when we have A1098. Next time only post Axxx please when you don't have useful spots. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 Pass, agree with Ron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 CHO (or is he GOP now?) balanced on 3♦ (1363 10 count) so everything turned out well now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 CHO (or is he GOP now?) balanced on 3♦ (1363 10 count) so everything turned out well now. Gop is Lao for "frog". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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