awm Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 You open 1♦ in third seat and partner responds 1♠. 2/1, 15-17 NTs. [hv=d=n&v=b&s=s6hkq86daqt64ca83]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 2c I thought wtp but i guess not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 All options look pretty ew to me - 2D rebid seems the smallest lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 2D. Would not be fussed if pd bid 1NT. Would be fussed if pd bid 2C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 2c I thought wtp but i guess not. Declareing a 2C bid as wtp,is a bit surprings. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 Hi, 2H. It is either 2D or 2H, I would gowith 2H, but ... Even the forum software was against2H, I needed to hit the Add button 3x,before I was able to write my opinion. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 I like 2♥. Alternative: 2♦ if I'm in a pessimistic mood. Which maybe I should because that singleton spade ain't looking good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 2H? Making a reverse on a 15 count without a known fit? The aces and kings are nice but it seems too much of an overbid imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 You're just too conservative :ph34r: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 1NT seems normal to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 I don't hate 1N or 2♦ too much and would probably go for 1N. 2♥ is crazy. 2♣ is masterminding for the hell of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 2♦. I might rebid 1NT with a non-regular. (1NT show 5332 18-19 with my regulars.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 It probably won't surprise anyone to hear that I would have opened 1NT on the previous round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 My rebid would be 2D but I would have opened 1NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianshark Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 2♦ wtp. 1NT (as either an opening or rebid) is a distortion which is fine if it's your partnership's style, but it is not standard. 2♣ likewise. In my opinion, this hand does not warrant upgrading to 2♥ (or 3♦) because your singleton is in partner's suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 I think 2♣ > 2♦ > open 1NT >>> 2♥ > rebid 1NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foo Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 You open 1♦ in third seat and partner responds 1♠. 2/1, 15-17 NTs. North,Both,IMP,♠6 ♥KQ86 ♦AQT64 ♣A83 To a certain extent, this is another area where you should do what partner and you have agreed to do above and beyond all else. W/o discussion in a pickup playing SAYC or normal 2/1 GF, either 1D-1S;1N (you certainly have all the side suits stopped) or1D-1S;2D (AQTxx is a better than average 5 card suit)seems fine to me 1D-1S;2C is Masterminding. If 2C! is artificial, you could make a good case for it. 1D-1S;2H is over bidding your hand.Reverses should promise hands that have 3 level safety opposite a minimum.15+6= 21 w/o a fit does not fit the requirement.Pard is unlimited and could easily put you in a hopeless contract. Those playing Weak NT's have 2 choices.rebid the D'splay 1D-1M;2C! as artificial. Kaplan Sheinwald had both options 40+ years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 In the olden days, worried about a rebid, we would have opened south a "prepared" 1♥ and rebid 2♦ and be fairly happy...sigh.... here i rebid an unhappy 1NT or unhappy 2♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foo Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 In the olden days, worried about a rebid, we would have opened south a "prepared" 1♥ and rebid 2♦ and be fairly happy...sigh.... here i rebid an unhappy 1NT or unhappy 2♣ ...and playing 4cM and Strong NT, I might still open a 1H and rebid (an unhappy)2D. It works for the Acol folks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 I think 2♣ > 2♦ > open 1NT >>> 2♥ > rebid 1NT. I'm generally in agreement here, except I would have ranked the rebid 1NT higher. Imagine we held x KJxx AQTxx Axx, it seems to me this would now have more support for a 1NT rebid and in particular if we held x KJxx AQTx Axxx then I think a 1NT rebid would be normal. The major advantage being that we will be less likely to play in a 5-1 spade fit if we rebid 1NT rather than open 1NT. So for me: 2♣ > 2♦ > rebid 1NT > open 1NT >> 2♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 It probably won't surprise anyone to hear that I would have opened 1NT on the previous round We regularly open 1NT with this shape too. Singleton spades and clubs often make for difficult rebids after a suit opening. Of course we play a weak no trump in first and second seat so there are some different considerations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 In the olden days, worried about a rebid, we would have opened south a "prepared" 1♥ and rebid 2♦ and be fairly happy...sigh.... here i rebid an unhappy 1NT or unhappy 2♣ ...and playing 4cM and Strong NT, I might still open a 1H and rebid (an unhappy)2D. It works for the Acol folks... There aren't that many "Acol folks" in my experience that start with a four-card major and rebid a five-card side suit. Partner has a habit of putting you into unplayable Moysians after that start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted March 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 At the table I tried rebidding 2♦. While I don't have any particular qualms about rebidding 1NT with this distribution, the hand seemed a little strong for that action (while a little weak for a reverse). While bidding 2♣ is apparently popular, it seems like a 1NT or 2♦ rebid is more likely to find us a heart fit if we have one. Anyways, the full hand: [hv=d=n&v=b&n=sj9xxhaxxdxckjxxx&w=sakxhtxdkjxxxctxx&e=sqtxxxhjxxxdxxcqx&s=sxhkqxxdaqtxxcaxx]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] I got to play in my 2♦ rebid, violating Burn's law. A heart was lead to dummy's ace and I played a diamond to the ten and jack. A heart was continued to my hand, I tried ace and a trump getting the lousy news. LHO cashed the two top spades, me ruffing the second. At this point I cashed the top two clubs ending in dummy, ruffed a spade with my last trump, and cashed the club jack for a very shaky making two. Rebidding 1NT probably leads to playing there. This may well be the same +90 I got in 2♦, but it has the advantage of being totally cold rather than requiring a guess of the club queen and perhaps sub-optimal defense. Rebidding 2♣ should fetch a 3♣ raise, which probably lands you in 3NT. This is not the worst game I've ever been in, but is probably not worth it to bid even vulnerable at IMPs. Making it will require the opponents not leading spades and additionally declarer guessing to drop the doubleton queen of clubs. Rebidding 2♥ should also land you in 3NT, as should opening 1NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 Strongly believe in rebidding 2C here. The hand is too strong to rebid 1N, too weak for 2H, and if my options are 2C or 2D I definitely prefer 2C as it gets clubs into play. If partner passes 2C I feel good about it since clubs is probably better than diamonds in that case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 While bidding 2♣ is apparently popular, it seems like a 1NT or 2♦ rebid is more likely to find us a heart fit if we have one. Agree that a 1N rebid is more likely to find a heart fit but why would a 2D rebid make us more likely to find hearts than a 2C rebid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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