luke warm Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 hang on, the end is in sight... if obamba or clinton win, they'll end the war and bring the troops home - much like what happened when the dems took over both houses of congress Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 hang on, the end is in sight... if obamba or clinton win, they'll end the war and bring the troops home - much like what happened when the dems took over both houses of congress Give me a break. Thats a ridiculous comment as you should very well know. You're either 1. Posturing2. Trying to score cheap rhetorical points3. so bleeding ignorant that no one should pay a lick of attention to what you have to say Neither the House nor the Senate has the authority to order the troops back home. That decision belongs to the executive branch. In theory, Congress could cut off funds to the troops in the field and try to use this to pressure the Administration. In practice, I don't know anyone who thinks that this is the right thing to do. Trying to use the power of the purse to force Bush to implement a troop draw down is insane. There is no popular support for this. it would fracture the Democratic party. Furthermore, i wouldn't trust the Bush Administration to be able to manage a troop draw down even if they wanted to... For better or worse, we're stuck with Bush, Cheney, and the rest for another year. Come November we will (hopefully) elect a sane Commander in Chief and pick up more than a few Senate seats. If we're really lucky, the Bushies won't have started a shooting war with Iran.... For what its worth, while I am very much in favor of getting our asses out of Iraq I don't have any illusions that Obama or Clinto will be able to wave a magic wand and bring the troops home over night (or even in six months) It took years to build the troop level and armor up prior to the invasion. Its going to take at least as much time to withdraw. Personally, I think that its essential that pulling out of Iraq is organized and well managed. What I do want to see (very quickly) is concrete steps that demonstrate that we are withdrawing and that we have no plans to establish permanent military based in Iraq. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuroth Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 Saddam and his sons would STILL be committing atrocities that make the current news stories out of Iraq seem tame by comparison. Is this statement meant to be a justification of the war? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 Saddam came to power on his own (more or less) but he was propped up by the CIA after the Iran hostage situation. He was aided and abetted during his war with Iran and supported right until the Kuwaiti invasion. (That had repercussions regarding US presence in Saudi Arabia and oil, but suffice it to say that he didn't need much encouragement by then.) The US power-brokers and war-mongers whet their apetites on places like that....and Panama and Grenada and Afghanistan and...and...and... Wherever power can we wielded, it will be used and abused by those that make use of it....without fail nor hope of remonstration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 Wherever power can we wielded, it will be used and abused by those that make use of it....without fail nor hope of remonstration. then i guess it's a good thing you and i don't have any, eh? power that is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 hang on, the end is in sight... if obamba or clinton win, they'll end the war and bring the troops home - much like what happened when the dems took over both houses of congress Uh, the end of what? The problems are not going away and neither are the troops, though they may be shifted around a bit. If "bringing the troops home" means not using military force in future disputes I seriously doubt that any American president will be following any such policy. If any candidate really contemplates such an approach I hope he will make that clear before November. I have (often) said things about President Bush. I believe he mad a mess of it. I believe there is an enormous clean-up job to do. But announcing "Oops, sorry, we screwed up and we are now going home to lick our wounds" does not strike me as one of the better ideas. No I don't know what we should do, but I am hoping that I will be convinced by November that maybe someone can be trusted to assess the situation accurately and act in the best way possible. I promise you that I don't really care whether that someone is a Republican or a Democrat. Or black or white. Or man or woman. Or straight or gay for that matter, although the republic is probably not read for that discussion. At any rate, the Democrats as the party of peace is a little off. President Roosevelt led us in WWII. President Truman dropped the bomb. President Kennedy took us to the brink of nuclear war in 1962. President Johnson took us into Viet Nam (I remember well his speech "I will not send American boys to to the job Asian boys are supposed to do"), President Clinton took us into the Balkans. I really don't hear the current candidates speaking of military restraint, only of drawing down in Iraq with mostly wishful thinking as a guide. We need to judge who will use troops wisely. The person who will not use troops isn't on any ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 hang on, the end is in sight... if obamba or clinton win, they'll end the war and bring the troops home - much like what happened when the dems took over both houses of congress I took this as satirical - and as such I agree. It doesn't matter who wins what, which party, or the specific political goon - the money behind the throne will determine what will be done. In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. - Dwight D. Eisenhower Fascism is capitalism in decay - Vladimir Lenin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 Ha! You are no doubt right about the satirical nature. No one ever said I was subtle. I need to read more carefully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 hang on, the end is in sight... if obamba or clinton win, they'll end the war and bring the troops home - much like what happened when the dems took over both houses of congress Give me a break. Thats a ridiculous comment as you should very well know. You're either 1. Posturing2. Trying to score cheap rhetorical points3. so bleeding ignorant that no one should pay a lick of attention to what you have to sayhmmm, choices choices... i guess i'll go for # 3 and await the blinding brilliance of your insight & intelligenceCome November we will (hopefully) elect a sane Commander in Chief ... "sane" being synonymous with "democrat" i take it? i wouldn't bet my hedge fund on it, i'd wait until obamba stops imploding and clinton stops doctoring her co-president resume`It doesn't matter who wins what, which party, or the specific political goon - the money behind the throne will determine what will be done.and i think we have a winner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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