kgr Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 [hv=d=w&v=e&s=shaxxdkxxxxcjxxxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv](1♠)-DBL-(4♠)-4NT(Pass)-5♣-(5♥)-Pass(5♠)-Pass-(Pass)-???- - - - - Do you agree with 4NT and Pass?- Is partners pass forcing?- What do you bid now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 (1) Agree with 4NT, would probably double instead of Pass over 5♥.(2) Pass is not forcing(3) Double. This is not clear, but I don't expect to make anything at the 6 level - partner's bidding is consistent with a minimum takeout double. Therefore, if we bid 6♣ it is to save. I am not willing to do this - I expect them to go down fairly often - so double it is for me. Of course, sometimes they make 5♠ :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Agree with 655321. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 (1) Agree with 4NT, would probably double instead of Pass over 5♥.(2) Pass is not forcing(3) Double. This is not clear, but I don't expect to make anything at the 6 level - partner's bidding is consistent with a minimum takeout double. Therefore, if we bid 6♣ it is to save. I am not willing to do this - I expect them to go down fairly often - so double it is for me. Of course, sometimes they make 5♠ :) I agree with all this, except I'd saw off 5♠ a little more happily :). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 I agree with all this, except I'd saw off 5♠ a little more happily :).Ah, Roger, that might be because you are still a callous youth. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 I also double. Unfortunately partner's double is not forcing so the pass is not a suggestion of bidding more. (I mean, with this hand it would have been nice if partner suggested bidding more, I don't mean that I wish we'd play forcing passes in this auction white against red) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 You mean partner's pass is not forcing, don't you Han? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Would not occur to me to X. I mean, I wouldn't even X 6... What tricks do people expect to take? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 1) Do you agree with 4NT and Pass? Yes to 4N. No to pass, double 5H instead. 2) Is partners pass forcing? No. How could it be? We forced partner to pick a minor, he has no idea if we are bidding to make or are sacrificing. 3) What do you bid now? Double, but not happy about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 a) yes, 4NT followed by PassbB) certainly notc) Pass, be happy to have pushed them one level higher Given your void, you may just have a 8 card fit, ... just look at some of the wonderfull off shape t/o with bal. shape. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Would not occur to me to X. I mean, I wouldn't even X 6... What tricks do people expect to take? Me neither. I can't think of a hand where I would want to make a penalty double with a void - well actually once I made one after a Stayman auction and I had some side tricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 [hv=d=w&v=e&s=shaxxdkxxxxcjxxxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv](1♠)-DBL-(4♠)-4NT(Pass)-5♣-(5♥)-Pass(5♠)-Pass-(Pass)-???- - - - - Do you agree with 4NT and Pass?- Is partners pass forcing?- What do you bid now? 1. Agree with 4NT, don't agree with pass. Prefer dbl because I was intending to pass 5♣ and dbl says "I don't wanna be in slam". 2. If our pass was forcing, yes. Else no. 3. Since I don't seem to have good agreements on this sequence, I'll just bid 6♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 clearest pass in the history of green cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Pass, easy IMO. Parnter's got a minimum t/o double. They can easily make this. But will go down a part of the time. Saving at the 6-level is ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted March 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Sorry, I don't remember the exact hands:[hv=d=w&v=e&n=sqxhkqtxdajxcqxxx&w=saxxxxhdqxxxcakxx&e=skjxxxhjxxxxxxdxc&s=shaxxdkxxxxcjxxxx]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv]I felt happy with the initial responses, but then came some experts suggesting that DBL was not good and even a suggestion for 6♣ :) I DBL'ed 5♠ and partner did lead a small ♣. Opps did make 5♠X +1.6♣ would have gone -1 or -2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Sorry, I don't remember the exact hands:[hv=d=w&v=e&n=sqxhkqtxdajxcqxxx&w=saxxxxhdqxxxcakxx&e=skjxxxhjxxxxxxdxc&s=shaxxdkxxxxcjxxxx]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv]I felt happy with the initial responses, but then came some experts suggesting that DBL was not good and even a suggestion for 6♣ :) I DBL'ed 5♠ and partner did lead a small ♣. Opps did make 5♠X +1.6♣ would have gone -1 or -2. We have 12 spades and 14 hearts in this deck. Under such conditions defending 5♠X+1 is not such a bad score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted March 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Sorry, I don't remember the exact hands: Dealer: West Vul: E/W Scoring: IMP ♠ Qx ♥ KQTx ♦ AJx ♣ Qxxx ♠ Axxxx ♥ [space] ♦ Qxxx ♣ AKxx ♠ KJxxx ♥ Jxxxxxx ♦ x ♣ [space] ♠ [space] ♥ Axx ♦ Kxxxx ♣ Jxxxx I felt happy with the initial responses, but then came some experts suggesting that DBL was not good and even a suggestion for 6♣ :) I DBL'ed 5♠ and partner did lead a small ♣. Opps did make 5♠X +1.6♣ would have gone -1 or -2. We have 12 spades and 14 hearts in this deck. Under such conditions defending 5♠X+1 is not such a bad score. I told you I don't remember the exact hand. :D ...I'm fairly sure that LHO had a 6 card ♠(Maybe Free also played this hand and knows the exact hand) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 A layout like this is not unexpected at all, like I said you should not even be doubling 6 here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Would not occur to me to X. I mean, I wouldn't even X 6... What tricks do people expect to take?LOL, OK I am not proud of my double. :) Well, perhaps if I had doubled 5♥ I could pass 5♠ with a clear conscience, having bid all of my values. Although doubling 5♥ comes with some risk too, I suppose, partner might now be tempted to double 5♠ instead. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 :rolleyes: 6♣To me this is a LOTT calculation. They have 11 spades. We have 9 clubs. I am looking at a void. We have a secondary 8 card diamond fit. All this adds up to 22 tricks. Of course, the LOTT doesn't always pan out, and bidding 6♣ will not always win, but any other bid violates the LOTT, and 6♣ should be the winning percentage bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 :rolleyes: 6♣To me this is a LOTT calculation. They have 11 spades. We have 9 clubs. I am looking at a void. We have a secondary 8 card diamond fit. All this adds up to 22 tricks. Of course, the LOTT doesn't always pan out, and bidding 6♣ will not always win, but any other bid violates the LOTT, and 6♣ should be the winning percentage bid. Sorry but I have never ever made a bid because of the LOTT. A slam needs much more than a certain number of trumps even when it is bid as a sacrifice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Sorry but I have never ever made a bid because of the LOTT. A slam needs much more than a certain number of trumps even when it is bid as a sacrifice. But he gave some reasons: 1. a Void.2. a secondary fit. So together with th LOTT these are reasons to bid 6 Club. You may say that the reasons for passing are bigger, but his points are valid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Sorry but I have never ever made a bid because of the LOTT. A slam needs much more than a certain number of trumps even when it is bid as a sacrifice. But he gave some reasons: 1. a Void.2. a secondary fit. So together with th LOTT these are reasons to bid 6 Club. You may say that the reasons for passing are bigger, but his points are valid. Sure an adjusted count of total tricks is better than a simple count of the number of trumps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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